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Jul 5, 2012 12:00pm EDT
that, doris. >> go ahead. >> my amateur judgment would be george w. bush was unusual in being a better second term president than a first term president, i think reagan was worst in the second term and i think clinton worst in the second term the hope is that obama like george w. bush in this way only would learn and continue this elf lucian doris is talkable about, reflecting of things that haven't worked, and i think the strongest lesson of his learning there position is positioning the economic argument which he has done in the last six or eight months in a way that gives him some strength for the election year. >> and yet you suggest in this article that the one thing that doesn't seem to come natural to him is to speak about economic issues. to explain them, to be able to identify with people who are suffering because of contemporary economic issues. >> yes, i had really interesting to interviews with mondale and hart, mondale i talked to him after the tragic death of his the daughter eleanor and something he learned from seeing people on the iron range, and other places how devas
NBC
Jul 1, 2012 10:00am EDT
four liberals to let the president avert political disaster. without roberts, a george w. bush appointee himself, the landmark obama accomplishment would have been struck down by the court's conservatives. and the president's opponents would have been handed a battering ram for the coming campaign. any observer could see that a weight had been lifted off the president's shoulders. >> whatever the politics, today's decision was a victory for people all over this country whose lives will be more secure because of this law and the supreme court's decision to uphold it. >> what an unusual pairing. barack obama, the liberal president, progressive president, and chief justice john roberts. they will be joined together in history. >> yeah. and i think you couldn't see this coming. because if you go back to the oral argument, it sure did seem like a majority. court was not prepared to uphold the law. and now we know why. because a majority. court also said that the government's central theory, which you could do this under the commerce clause, was not constitutional. instead, it was the governme
CSPAN
Jul 7, 2012 2:00pm EDT
as president george w. bush's secretary of defense before and duringite rack war penned 815-page book released titled "known and unknown" it should remain us how little we knew about iraq and how rumsfeld, vice president cheney and others pulled the wool over our eyes. >> that's just inaccurate, in the book as i discuss at some length, think about this. colin powell is the one who made the presentation at the united nations. he probably had more experience dealing with intelligence materials than anyone, including george tenet, director of cia. one of the intelligence elements reported to him at department of state, he spent days workingen it. he prepared a speech for the world which he believed every single word in it, let there be no doubt. president bush believed every word he said as vice president cheney and condi rice and as did i. i think that is -- i don't know quite how to characterize a person who would come to that conclusion when all of the evidence is to the contrary. the congress, republicans and democrats alike, looked at same intelligence and voted overwhelmingly
Current
Jul 20, 2012 10:00pm PDT
george w. bush as president. >> eight years was awesome. i was famous and i was powerful, but i have--i have no desire for fame and power any more. >> eliot: brings back great memories. tough as it may be today we'll try to end the week on a lighter note by taking a look back at the week that was with political satiriskt john fugelsang. >> thank you for having me and talking about the silliness that unites all. >> eliot: let's play this out. what we call it here, ann romney talking about you people. it was an amazing moment. take a listen. >> we have given you all you people need to know to under our financial situation and how we live our life. >> does that sum it all up. >> and it had to be an african-american journalist. i like ann omni. she seems like a great people, great kids, a knockout, ms survivor, lovely lady. i think this was a case they tried to have the romney that appears more human and life like to go out and do damage control and she didn't do it very well. it makes her look more out of touch. the can scandal right after she said you people. they said she was talking
CSPAN
Jul 7, 2012 2:30pm EDT
and has views, take president george w. bush. he gave a speech at the sit ta d citadel, any changes that are made are tend to be made over the objection of the congress, the defense contractors, and the permanent bureaucracy. they're comfortable with the way it is. they've concluded that that's the way it ought to be. and if a president gets elected and comes in to office with different views, there tends to be natural opposition to i canceled the crusader program. i can't think of a worse name in this environment we're if than the crusader, but it was an enormous artillery piece that took two aircraft to move anywhere in the world. certainly not something that was appropriate for the 21st century and the asymmetric warfare that we're facing. and the opposition to it was just incredible. i mean, retired community in the army, the active duty community in the army, the civilian contractors, the congress. i'll give you an example. just a data point. when i was second of defense in the '70s, the defense authorization bill was 74 pages long. when i came back, in the year 2001, if i'm no
CNN
Jul 17, 2012 4:00am EDT
politics again. former white house press secretary for george w. bush ari fleisher. cnn contributor paul begala. joins me as well. paul, you advise the super pac which has run a lot of these negative ads many thousands of times. negative campaigning, you're more than okay with it? >> totally, absolutely. the ads to the pac i advise which is priorities usa action. they have featured the most powerful ads. and the ones we have run the most of. the real words of real people that mitt romney laid off. he came and took over these companies. he loaded them up with debt. he in some cases he bankrupted them. paid himself millions. and canceled the health benefits. we sent cameras to places like marion, indiana, kansas city and we filmed these people and their heartbreaking stories. the "los angeles times," "l.a. times," terrific journalist, called our ad the most effective democratic ad this year. >> so did the president say -- can the president say there's been a slew of positive ads? >> yeah, i don't know how many is in a slew. i thought you nailed ax pretty well on this. my job i think i
MSNBC
Jul 28, 2012 2:00am PDT
here in the united states. going back over the last ten years, since george w. bush forged a very close relationship with former british prime minister tony blair, with whom he was not an ideological soul mate. here was an opportunity for mitt romney and david cameron, peas in a pod politically, both conservatives to try and establish some kind of alliance that could take them both forward. and instead, mitt romney has found himself causing david cameron to come out and push back on this issue of the olympics, because as chris ship knows, better i think than any of us, david cameron's own credibility is at stake over the success or failure of these olympic games. >> well, let's look at romney trying to clean up the mess. but i do want to remind our viewers here in the states of what david cameron did to take a shot at him in the morning. let's take a look at this morning on the "today" show, our big morning show here. mitt romney tried to end the static he had stirred up with a "nightly news" interview he did with brian williams. he did it by complimenting now. he has switched in
MSNBC
Jul 24, 2012 2:00am EDT
rating to george w. bush than any other recent president. obama's approval rating for his 14th quarter in office averages out to 46.8. 46.8. that puts him a hair under where george w. bush was at this point in his presidency at 47.9. now, bush, of course, beat john kerry in a close race to win his second term. he won by 3 million votes. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." the shooting rampage in colorado seared in our mind, names like virginia tech, jonesboro, arkansas, columbine. these tragedies never lead to tougher gun control ever. there's a horrific incident, gun control advocates plead their case, make noise for awhile and then the issue fades away. tom's son daniel was killed in the columbine shooting 13 years ago. since then he's become a gun control advocate founding the group cease-fire colorado. mark halperin is in touch with politics, an msnbc senior analyst. let me go to mr. mouser. i can only have sympathy for you, sir, i can't imagine the loss of a son. that stays with you every moment of your life. why does the need for gun control -- i remember the fir
MSNBC
Jul 23, 2012 11:00pm PDT
approval rating to george w. bush than any other recent president. obama's approval rating for his 14th quarter in office averages out to 46.8. 46.8. that puts him a hair under where george w. bush was at this point in his presidency at 47.9. now, bush, of course, beat john kerry in a close race to win his second term. he won by 3 million votes. we'll be right back. this is an rc robotic claw. my high school science teacher made me what i am today. our science teacher helped us build it. ♪ now i'm a geologist at chevron, and i get to help science teachers. it has four servo motors and a wireless microcontroller. over the last three years we've put nearly 100 million dollars into american education. that's thousands of kids learning to love science. ♪ isn't that cool? and that's pretty cool. ♪ >>> welcome back to "hardball." the shooting rampage in colorado seared in our mind, names like virginia tech, jonesboro, arkansas, columbine. these tragedies never lead to tougher gun control ever. there's a horrific incident, gun control advocates plead their case, make noise for awhil
CSPAN
Jul 28, 2012 11:30am EDT
-one u. s. presidents combined from george washington to george w. bush, he has racked up more debt in 2-1/2 years as president barack obama racked up more deficits than george w. bush in all eight years combined and george w. bush was fighting two wars and barack obama had more deficits and two years than george bush did in eight years. he socialized health care which the congressional budget office says is going to sway 800,000 jobs but more importantly for young people for us it is going to raise our premiums because in obamacare it is tough to weigh a provision that says insurance companies can no longer very price according to one's age or health status. insurance companies look at us and see again healthy individual and say you got to pay the same rate as your parents and grandparents. a huge redistribution of wealth from young to old and the left celebrates it. youth unemployment at historic highs. you have almost double the national average with those 18 and older and you look at the key to unemployment. many of you are in this category if not all of you and in america right no
MSNBC
Jul 23, 2012 7:00pm EDT
, consider this. new polling from gallop puts president obama's approval rating to george w. bush than any other recent president. obama's approval rating for his 14th quarter in office averages out to 46.8. 46.8. that puts him a hair under where george w. bush was at this point in his presidency at 47.9. now, bush, of course, beat john kerry in a close race to win his second term. he won by 3 million votes. we'll be right back. still make you take notice. there are a million reasons why. but your erectile dysfunction that could be a question of blood flow. cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side
FOX News
Jul 23, 2012 6:00pm PDT
you blame for the economic recovery, obama, congress, at the bottom is george w. bush. they can't blame george w. bush anymore. >> you will never grow the obamacare looming and dodd-frank and cap and trade. if you wanted to grow the economy, elect a new president. >> you mentioned tax megedon, he is putting a huge destructive force in place. >> sean: there is an unknown percentage of people that have been so impacted by these bad economic decisions they are going out in force.
FOX News
Jul 23, 2012 9:00pm EDT
is over. who do you blame for the economic recovery, obama, congress, at the bottom is george w. bush. they can't blame george w. bush anymore. >> you will never grow the obamacare looming and dodd-frank and cap and trade. if you wanted to grow the economy, elect a new president. >> you mentioned tax megedon, he is putting a huge destructive force in place. >> sean: there is an unknown percentage of people that have been so impacted by these bad economic decisions they are going out in force. this is about their family and their future and their loss of wealth. we'll see. good to see you. >> sean: as always. that is all the time we have left. greta is in colorado to go on the record. greta, take it away. >> greta: bizarre look at the accused mass murder in the movie theater massacre. >> you have the right to be represented by an attorney if you could not afford one under statutory guidelines at no cost to yourself. it must be voluntarily and not under coercion. typically you have a right to be advised of the charges. you have a right to be advised of the charges. they made a preliminary det
MSNBC
Jul 30, 2012 8:00pm PDT
george w. bush or dick cheney will be be attending the republican convention in tampa, which is is odd, considering romney's economic advisers were bush's economic advisers. according to one official, romney's policies are bush's policies, just updated. come to think of it, romney rarely invokes the good old bush's. >> the major planks of your job plan, lower taxes, both corporate and marginal rates and reduce regulation, explain how that would be different than what george w. bush tried to put through. >> my policies are different than anything you've seen in the past. they are designed for a new america that has resources, energy being one of them, trade with latin america being another and the need for a balanced budget now more urgent than ever before. >> you get the feeling that romney needs to listen to beyonce, say my name, george w. bush, say my name? i'm joaned by e.j. dionne and author of the book "follmy poli heart. >> bill clinton has given a marquise for the convention. will this be a tale of two conventions? >> it's certainly a tale of two presidencies. if you think about
Current
Jul 30, 2012 9:00pm PDT
clinton and ronald reagan. >> and george w. bush. we've seen this pandering before. george w. bush said he would move the embassy to jerusalem on the day he was inaugurated. the minute he was in office, he reversed that and extended the same as every other president. if we moved our embassy to tel aviv, we would be abandoning, in affect, 40 years of u.s. foreign policy. that is not going to happen. i'm sure president romney would do no such thing no way. >> it's an interesting debate. this is not going to be the end of it. hussein ibish. thank you so much for joining us inside 9inside "the war room"." >> democrats deliver on a long-overdue promise to the lgbt community. plus the 1992 presidential debate is one for the history books. the question is why hasn't history repeated itself? and then later dick cheney takes aim at one of his own. we don't mean a hunting buddy. find out who should take cover. you're in "the war room," and we'll be righththththththththththththththththththththththt (vo) cenk uygur is many things. >>oh really? >>tax cuts don't create jobs. the golden years as the c
CSPAN
Jul 28, 2012 10:00am EDT
george w. bush at one point came close. so how do we square the historians immediately in your great category where is the voters were essentially saying he's ineligible for rehire? well, history is looking at the overall record, which is highly accessible. i would say her road trip you look at first term because he made the agonizing decision to save nearly american lines. he presided over america's role in fostering the united nations. he was the president under containment which saved western europe from soviet aggression also miss him that was poised with 1.3 million troops. he frosted the market plan, brought about the national security act of 1947 and created the defense department and other things. he successfully made it transition from the wartime economy and he made the momentous decision to read about how we made the decision and all the adviser said you can't say. you'll have to get country and give up on berlin. absolutely heroic. all that i just described happen in the first term. the second term was really quite mediocre. he didn't manage to maintain what i call longev
FOX News
Jul 27, 2012 6:00pm EDT
resolution that calls on israelis and palestinians to work it out. president clinton, george w. bush and obama have all refused. in the 2008 campaign, mr. obama declared his support for jerusalem as the israeli capital, but didn't preclude negotiations. romney himself has declined to criticize the president while abroad, but he unloaded on him earlier this week. >> president obama is fond of lecturing israel's leaders. he was even caught by a microphone deriding them. >> some saw the timing of the ceremony, a day before romney travels to israel, as an efforts to upstage him. democrats denied him. >> that's not true at all because it's john boehner and eric cantor who set the time frame for this. >> polls give the president a substantial lead over mitt romney among jewish voters, but not nearly as big as the lead he enjoyed over john mccain. the romney camp hopes just reducing the advantage will help change the outcome in november. brett? >> bret: wendell goler, thank you. the opening ceremony for the summer olympics is going on right now in london. more than 10,000 athletes from 200 coun
CSPAN
Jul 29, 2012 7:00pm EDT
. when you have a chance of winning, if you are george w. bush, if you are bill clinton, if you are mitt romney, the trick is that you need for percent of the country to love you to get through your primary. the right 40 or the left 40 or the 30% -- the trick is when the primary occurs, when it without doing anything that makes it harder to get to 50. mitt romney was determined to do nothing to move farther to the right and necessary to get the nomination. unlike george w. bush in 2000, bill clinton in 1992, where governor carter in 1976, his challengers were on the right and not in the center. bill clinton did not have to move to the left to be people. george w. bush had challengers. john mccain, on the left of him. deep forbes decided to not be the right-wing menace. mitt romney, unlike many other candidates, which faced far more verlyn challengers sucking up delegates and growth in pockets, none of them could ever win by that. but they all did challenges and there were some weak planning that no one expected. i am certain that nobody expected they would have to come out and condemn co
MSNBC
Jul 18, 2012 9:00am PDT
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CNN
Jul 26, 2012 12:00pm PDT
that george w. bush pursued. so again there, i think where obama is sort of where the country is. >> fareed zakaria, always a pleasure. again, your article is "failure to launch" in "time" magazine. let's remind everybody, they should be aching up on sunday and watching you, at 10:00 eastern, fareed zakaria jgps right here on cnn. fareed, thank. >>> a lot more news unfolding this hour, including this -- >> one of the godfathers of cnn says break up the banks. and i'm about to talk with one of the watchdogs who says those banks along with d.c. ripped off americans. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. >>> the man who served as president bush's cia director joins me now. i'll ask michael hayden about leaks, drones, and about what he thinks about the job performance of america's current president. >>> plus, investors on edge as facebook gets ready to announce its earnings. we're counting down until the closing bell. [ taste buds ] donuts, donuts, donuts! who are these guys? oh, that's just my buds. bacon, donuts. -my taste buds. -[ taste buds ] waffles. how about we try this new kin
CSPAN
Jul 28, 2012 8:00am EDT
read as george w. bush a look at this economy going again or first thought president. hope and change was his way of bringing optimism to his site, to his ideology. we all know it is a sick ideology that is really destroying the country, that he was able to sell it because he did it with a smile and he did it as a happy warrior for his cause. he can no longer do that this time. his record is so bad that he's going to run a campaign against governor romney because he has a choice and is going to be completely, 100% negative. this gives governor romney and all of us a huge opening to be the happy warriors. we've got to understand, happy warriors believed that america can be saved and that she is worth saving and we are going to do this mission messed up is this going to be an hard. i read about this in the bud. it's going to be hard and requires sacrifice because they won't go down without a fight. we saw that in wisconsin. we have to persevere and it's going to be wrenching. look what happened after decades of socialism. it's wrenching and it's going to be wrenching here. but th
MSNBC
Jul 12, 2012 9:00pm EDT
make real attempts to reach out to the hispanic community. on policy, george w. bush advocated for comprehensive immigration reform. he reached out to democrats like ted kennedy to reach out the broken immigration system in a bipartisan way. he failed, of course, but at least he trieding on on the policy. and on politics the bush team did so much outreach to the hispanic community that he managed to increase his share of the hispanic vote from 2000 to 2004 when he was dramatically less popular overall. george w. bush got 42% of the hispanic vote in 2004. mitt romney on the other hands, in terms of policy, he's trying to appeal to the public by proposing his immigration policy. he calls it self deportation. he's promising to follow the lead of arizona, of all places, for national immigration law. that sort of outreach has earned him an appeal with hispanic voters that is, look at that, 40 points below president obama. he's even down 18 points from what george w. bush did with hispanic voters. the romney campaign is trying to move the dpil monohispanic voters. want to know how? they
CSPAN
Jul 1, 2012 10:00pm EDT
it to a lot of us had hope in change will be rid of george w. bush are what get this economy going again. our first black president. hope and change was his way of ringing optimism to his site, to his ideology. we all know it is a sick ideology really destroying the country, but he was able to sell it because he did it with a smile and a dead as a happy idea what this cause. you can never do at this time. his record is so bad is going to run a campaign against governor romney because he has no choice and is going to be cometely 100% negative. this gives governor romney and all abuzz a huge opening to be the happy warriors. we've got to understand happy warriors believed that america can be saved and that is worth saving and we can do the mission must have an it's going to be hard. i read about in this book is going to be hard and require sacrifice because the kooks will not go down without a fight. we have to persevere and it will be painful and branching. look at what is happening in western europe after decades of socialism. it is wrenching and it will be wrenching here. the key
CSPAN
Jul 22, 2012 8:00pm EDT
george w. bush. how do we square this? they immediately put this guy in near grade category where as the voters are essentially saying he is eligible for rehire. his overall record which was highly successful. i would describe it as heroic. he made the agonizing decision to drop the atomic bomb. same million american lives. he presided over america's role in fostering the united nations. he was the president under containment which saved western europe from soviet westernism poised with 1 million troops. he fostered the marshall plan. he brought about the national security act of 1947 that created the defense department and the cia and other things. he successfully made the transition from a wartime economy to a peacetime economy, and he made the momentous decision to read about how he made the decision when all his advisers said, you cannot say berlin. you will have to give up on berlin. he made the decision for the berlin airlift. absolutely wrote. everything had described happened in his first term. his second term was really quite mediocre. he did not manage to maintain what i call l
FOX News
Jul 27, 2012 3:00pm PDT
that simple. it turns out there are two busts. the bust that was loaned to president george w. bush after 9-11 that was in the oval office, the one charles krauthammer referenced was, in fact, returned to the british embassy after that administration ended. that bust, now resides at the british ambassador's washington, d.c. residence. the white house collection has had a second churchill bust for decades, which is the one pheiffer says is on display in the residence. late today, pheiffer updated his blog post noting the two busts, not admitting a mistake, but instead, maintaining, quote, the idea put forward by charles krauthammer and others that president obama returned the churchill bust or refused to display the bust because of antipathy toward the british is completely false. reaction from charles in a few. >>> is the british press playing favorites when it comes to president obama and governor romney? one media writer says yes. mediaite notes londoners criticized him for so-called gaffes during the visit. but rothman says the fourth estate there has been much more forgiving to presid
MSNBC
Jul 26, 2012 7:00pm PDT
w. bush never did anything like this. >> worse than dubya you're saying? >> i can't imagine george w. bush doing this. i can't imagine that. he had some sophistication about foreign affairs. this is shocking to me. >> krystal, this is one of those days where i have to say i appreciate the spirit of the british press. they are willing to step right up there and say what they mean. >> yeah. and you grabbed some amazing material. when i was prepping for this segment, i could have gone on for hours because there were so many fantastic tweets and quotes and headlines and so much material to work with. but honestly for mitt romney, there were essentially two goals for this trip, right? to sort of run around looking vaguely presidential and to sort of slyly remind people of his own olympic success. and in one day he's managed to kill both of those things by insulting everyone and looking the opposite of presidential. looking like he can't even handle, you know, the relationship that should have been the easiest, going to the olympics, going to our friends. it really is an incredible thing
FOX News
Jul 28, 2012 5:00pm PDT
bock by the george w. bush institute the four percent solution. i smoke to former governor jeb bush earlier. >> it is great to be with you. >> i see the governors running on campaign of reform and cutting things and geth the budget under control. they get in office and then they beat the day lights out of them because they kept ape campaign promise. scott walker in wisconsin, and rick scott in florida, and so what are we to make of the fact that people don't want them to fulfill the promises? >> i think they do. you earn people's respect over the long hall if people want to be popular than do what is right. i admire what rick scott is doing in florida and scott walker went in a fire storm and came out stronger because of it people want genuine and they want people to understand the concerns and also want leaders and they want people to lay out an agenda and execute on that agenda passion and conviction . >> people don't understand in the state level the budget doesn't have to balance. it is not like the feds who are borrowing money and putting it off. what are the big challenges tha
MSNBC
Jul 26, 2012 10:00pm EDT
fiving each other as mitt romney's trip to london descends into a full blown romney shambles. that's not me talking, that's the editor of "the sun" one of rupert murdoch's british tabloids. the editor of "the daily mail" tweets, serious dismay at romney's debut. worse than sarah palin, total car crash. two of the kinder verdicts. hagtag, romney shambles. that same editor later tweeted, another verdict from one romney meeting, apparently devoid of charm, warmth, humor or sincerity. hashtag romney samables, mitt hits the fan. the "london times" tweets, we're the special relationship, the ea easyasy bit of u.s. foreign relations. how will he deal with china? a correspondent for "the telegraph" writes, mitt romney is perhaps the only politician who could start a trip that was supposed to be a charm offensive by being utterly devoid of charm and mildly offensive. and lucy jones of "the telegraph" writes, mitt romney is wazzock. there's one thing romney could learn while he's in britain this week -- some manners. so what did mitt romney do to be called worse than sarah palin? worst he said the london olympics might have some serious problems. >> you know, it's hard to know just how well it will turn out. there were a few things that were discon earth serting. stories about the private security firm not having enough people. supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials. that obviously is not something which is encouraging. >> here is what one fox news romney supporter thought of that answer. >> what romney answered in that question is unbelievable. it's beyond human understanding. it's incomprehensible. all romney has to do is say nothing. it's like a guy in a 100 meter dash, all he has to do is finish. he doesn't have to win instead he tackles the guy in the lane next to him and ends up disqualified. i don't get it. >> here's how david cameron responded. >> we are holding an olympic games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities in the world. of course it's easier if you hold an olympic games in the middle of nowhere. >> you see, in the united kingdom, utah where romney ran the olympic games is considered the middle of nowhere. and here's the response from the always entertaining mayor of london, and 60,000 people he happened to be chatting with in hyde park. >> i hear there's a guy called mitt romney who wants to know whether we're ready. he wants to know whether we're ready. are we ready? [ applause ] >> are you ready? yes, we are! >> and then there was the small problem of mitt romney not having every name ready when he needed them. >> as the leader, i look forward to our conversations this morning. >> another romney triumph of as he forgets ed millivan's name. mitt romney then showed he has much to learn about the very basics of conducting foreign policy. >> i appreciated the insights and perspectives of the leaders of the government here and opposition here as well as the head of mi-6. >> mi-6 is the british government's secret intelligence agency. mitt romney was not supposed to tell anyone he met with the head of mi-6 "the guardian" writes, this isn't like just bragging that you just met david petraeus. the british take on the national secret intel sense service. co-s with a heavy extra doll lop of the whole secret thing. the very existence of mi-6 was not officially acknowledged until 1994. james chapman's take on that one? romney blunders again. do we have a new dubya on our hands? joining me now, krystal ball, co-host of msnbc's "the cycle" and howard dean, former vermont governor and former dnc chairman. charles krauthhammer is out of adjectives. do any come to mind for you as to how this tour is going for mitt romney? >> this is bad. i am a little surprised they didn't take a trip to switzerland and cayman islands while they're at it. first of all, insulting the british prime minister is really bad. when the prime minister thinks it's necessary to call out the candidate who's running for president of the united states, this is not a good thing. i wish i could be more charitable, sort of. but this is pretty bad. i haven't seen a bad trip like this for a long time. and i have to say, george w. bush never did anything like this. >> worse than dubya you're saying? >> i can't imagine george w. bush doing this. i can't imagine that. he had some sophistication about foreign affairs. this is shocking to me. >> krystal, this is one of those days where i have to say i appreciate the spirit of the british press. they are willing to step right up there and say what they mean. >> yeah. and you grabbed some amazing material. when i was prepping for this segment, i could have gone on for hours because there were so many fantastic tweets and quotes and headlines and so much material to work with. but honestly for mitt romney, there were essentially two goals for this trip, right? to sort of run around looking vaguely presidential and to sort of slyly remind people of his own olympic success. and in one day he's managed to kill both of those things by insulting everyone and looking the opposite of presidential. looking like he can't even handle, you know, the relationship that should have been the easiest, going to the olympics, going to our friends. it really is an incredible thing. it also reminded me when he was offered cook ecoos from the local bakery and he didn't know in that moment to suggest that they came from the local 7-eleven. you don't go into someone else's house and insult them and criticize them. i feel like he was trying to get an "a" and show he had done his homework with what's going on with the olympics kbauz that's something he knows about and really didn't have any sense that this would be a bad place to go with this answer. >> howard dean, i find the sarah palin comparison that the british media is making appropriate. and it started to occur to me when i was listening to his answers, i began to think, that sounds a lot like sarah palin, we made some fun. he would string together words that technically are sentences but have absolutely no meaning. and if sarah palin -- when sarah palin was doing that, pretty much everyone called her on that. mitt romney seems to be getting away with exactly the same thing. it seems to me there's some kind of double standard going on here because he's a well-dressed man. >> well, i'm going to dpe fend romney slightly on that one. i don't think you can compare -- i mean, romney is fairly sophisticated guy who has significant amount of accomplishment in his life. i don't think he can be compared with sarah palin. but his performance is pretty appalling. when you -- i don't know anybody who goes to meet the leader of the opposition and can't remember his name. i have no yet seen a candidate for the united states and goes in and insults probably our closest ally in the world. it's not a big deal because this is about olympics and it's not about, you know, plotting to invade iraq, but it's not very reassuring. i think romney's problem is not that he's not well informed. i think -- and he's certainly not -- doesn't lack substance. his problem is he wants to be president so badly that all he does is get briefed and he doesn't appear to have an original thought. i think he does. but he doesn't appear to have one. and this is a very bad start. . >> and lawrence, i think to your point -- >> go ahead. >> to your point about the sarah palin comparison, there's so many times he's asked a direct question he doesn't even come close to answering it. he's, you know, he's not addr s addressing the substance of the question at all. i think that's when he gets into his word salad territory where you go where is he going with this? i think it's an intentional attempt to be vague and not put forward anything of substance. and that way i think there is an appropriate sarah palin comparison. >> howard dean and krystal ball, thank you for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming up, a million voters in pennsylvania think they'll be able to vote on november 6. they're wrong. the new voter i.d. law will not accept their i.d.s as valid i.d.s and they don't know it. we discuss voter suppression. and in "the rewrite" tonight, rush limbaugh talks about drumsticks in a way that makes you wonder with rush, when is a drumstick just a dumb stick? if your worst nightmare is hearing rush limbaugh use the word penis repeatedly, you're going to need the mute button for tonight's "rewrite." the wife. hey, babe. got the jetta. i wiped the floor with the guy! not really. i would've been fine with 0% for 36 months, but i demanded 60. no...i didn't do that. it was like taking candy from a baby. you're a grown man. alright, see you at home. 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bill which delivers certainty to middle class taxpayers and, by the way, is a tremendous step towards addressing sequestration, or he can step on the gas, head towards that fiscal cliff and strap the american people, just like a dog we know, to the top of his car. >> and today, john boehner responded to senator thelma with this lie. >> it was the president who came up with the sequester because he didn't want the debt limit to get in the way of his campaign. >> the so-called sequester, a package of automatic spending cuts, half of them in dpefense spending was something the president was supposed to get it to get the bat crap crazy republicans to force an increase in the debt ceiling and save this country and the world from economic disaster. here's what the president said a year ago. see if you hear him asking for a sequester. >> the only bottom line i have is we have to extend this debt ceiling through the next election. >> and here is what john boehner was saying a year ago. >> the house can only pass a debt limit bill that includes spending cuts larger than the hike in the debt limit. >> in the end, to raise the debt ceiling, john boehner attached to it automatic spending cuts that he stupidly believed congress would be able to avoid by somehow miraculously coming together on an agreement about how to finance government in america. here is what john boehner's democratic counterpart in the house of representatives said today. >> we can avoid the sequester if we just come together at the table in a balanced and fair way. >> and here's what the white house had to say about avoiding the boehner spending cuts that boehner now fears. >> the president himself has said there's no reason why these cuts should happen and congress eight ought to be able to come together and agree on a balanced approach that reduces the deficit and keeps our military strong. right now, as i noted earlier in answer to ed, congressional republicans are trying to get out of what they agreed to because they would rather protect tax cuts for some of the wealthiest americans than make tough choices needed to reduce the deficit. even if it risks big cuts in our military. >> joining me now is robert reich, former labor secretary under president clinton, now professor of economics at the university of california berkeley. bob, i didn't foresee this. co-ing. i have to say, when this sequester deal was being written into the debt ceiling, i did not expect us to be here today watching it play out this way. democrats hangs tough, willing to live with go off the cliff with that deal made on the debt ceiling believing, correctly, i think, if they do that, they will have much more power to be negotiating a package after that than before that. >> well, lawrence, i think the democrats are getting tough. democrats are learning some of the power plays the republicans have been using all along and democrats are getting a whiff of the fact that republicans really don't want that fiscal cliff. they don't want cuts in military spending and they certainly don't want an end to the bush tax cuts for the very rich. so knowing that, i think we're going to finally get a deal. but we're probably not going to get a deal until after the fist of the year. >> yeah. i mean, what i'm hearing from democratic senators is it's going to be impossible. they have to go off the cliff so that then every single tax proposal they will be talking about, democrat or republican, will be a tax cut. and without that leverage, they don't see now how they can get anything. >> exactly. there's not going to be anything -- well, obviously, everybody knew there was not going to be any progress on any of this this summer. there was some people who thought maybe the congress that got back together after the election might do something, but now it looks like nothing is going to happen even then. the democrats are going to hold out and they're going to use a lot of bargaining leverage that they now have. >> yesterday in the senate there was the opportunity to vote for basically a continuation of the current tax rates for all, except the top tax brackets. that amounts to a cut in tax law except for the top brackets. the republicans did not vote for that. and dick durbin made this comment about that vote. >> how many times have we heard the republican's speech about uncertainty? well, there will be some certainty if speaker boehner will call this bill on the floor of the house because it will pass. >> and now that bill is being stuck in the house. john boehner not taking it up, as dick durbin said. if you want tax certainty, you can pass that bill tomorrow and we will have it. >> again, lawrence, the interesting thing here is that democrats are now beginning to understand that framing this issue so the public understand it is 90% of winning the game. and the issue is not, do you extend the tax cuts for everybody or for some people. that's the way the republicans like to frame it. the real issue is do you extend the bush tax cuts for everyone up until the first $250,000 of their incomes? or do you extend the tax cuts for earnings above $250,000. in other words, what the democrats are proposing and the president is proposing is everybody, rich, middle class, everybody gets a tax cut, an extension of the bush tax cut, up until $250,000. >> up to $250,001, it will be the clinton tax rates. it's not that big a deal. why aren't republicans putting up a fuss? >> robert reich, we're one day closer to going off the cliff. thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. with friends like chris christie, mitt romney does not need republican enemies. is chris christie really hoping mitt romney loses? of course he is. and in the rewrite tonight, rush limbaugh talks about sex, socialism and drumsticks. and both asks and answers the question, when is a drumstick just a drumstick? those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile 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voting in elections. the state trial started this week, but a new aclu study finds that 1 million pennsylvania voters may be ineligible to vote in november. and unlike ms. applewhite, some of these voters don't even know they're ineligible. the report finds that 34% of pennsylvania registered voters don't know the new law even exists. while 98% registered voters think they have a valid i.d., 12% of them do not do not have i.d.s that are considered valid under the law. that 12% is almost a million pennsylvania voters who will be denied the right to vote when they saw up on november 6. but how can we expect voters to know what counts as proper i.d. when the man who signed this into law does not know. >> there are other forms of i.d. i don't know where people get the data as to how many people don't have because the other forms of i.d. could be student i. i.d., we've been working with nursing homes to get people new i.d. it could be military i.d. two or three other forms. right now, i don't have it here in front of me. >> joining me an opinion writer for the new york city times and kelly wilkinson, an intern here for "the last word" who attends college in pennsylvania. let's take a look at the list of photo i.d.s that that are acceptable and valid. federal issue photo i.d. pennsylvania driver's silence, passpo passport, u.s. military i.d. goth employee, college photo i.d. photo i.d. issued by a pennsylvania care facility. and kelly, you have a college photo i.d. in pennsylvania but you recently discovered it wasn't going to be good enough. tell us about that. >> when i first heard about the voter suppression laws, i looked on the votespa website and i realized even though i do have a college i.d., i don't have an expiration date on my i.d., as you can see on the screen. therefore, i'm not able to vote. however, the law does allow for colleges to issue stickers that have the expiration on the sticker in order to put that on to the i.d. so i will be eligible to vote in november. >> mara, you've been to pennsylvania and wrote on this extensive. there's just so many ways people are going to be turned away from the polls. it seems like we may discover new ones on election day we haven't found out. >> absolutely. what's interesting about the report you cited in your intro is what we've been hearing a lot about are the numbers of people who don't have a valid i.d. who know. and they will presumably take steps before the election. but many think they're in compliance for the law whether they're not. maybe their i.d. is expired or expiring, they went won't realize until they get to the polls they are not eligible to vote. at that point, there's very little time to actually do something about it. they can cast a provisional ballot, it won't be counted unless they show up with valid i.d. within six days. a lot of people won't realize there's a problem until election day. >> charles, we just stau the governor of pennsylvania unable to say what a valid i.d. would be. what would be acceptable. but that to me is not an accident. this seems to be an accidental move towards voter suppression and designed to suppress the vote that they want to suppress there. >> i think not just there, lawrence. i think you have to broad this out and look at it as a national picture. you have at least 19 laws, 14, 15 states these cover most of the electoral votes that will be counted in this presidential election. when you look at the valid voter state-issued i.d.s across the country, they're more likely to be young people, minorities, poor people. these are all constituencies that democrats generally win and barack obama won substantially. and what you have to look back as the history of this country for almost 200 year, we have been making steps towards increasing the voter pool in america. and for about a century, we have had driver's silences. for half a century, we've had states putting photos on driver's licenses. not until 2006 did anyone anywhere require that a drooefr's license or a state issued photo i.d. be present to vote. we're not looking back at all those other elections saying these were fraudulent. what is the difference? what has changed? in the last two years, we had this raft of voter suppression laws meant to suppress the votes of these very same constituencies. minorities, young people, poor people. people who vote democratic. and the only thing that has changed is that we see that barack obama is in the white house and he won those votes. we see this democratic change happening in america. we see that young people are getting more and more socially liberal as, you know, every decade and people are scared about that. and now they're putting in place restrictions that have never existed in the entire history of our democracy. >> mara, what is the timetable for the lawsuit? >> we're looking at about 7 to 10 days. but this will likely not be the final word. whatever the outcome of this case is in pennsylvania, it will most likely be appealed. and we're seeing that's really part of a pattern when it comes to other states that have done this there are. when you're talking about south carolina and texas, the department of justice denied them preclearance. they're now appealing to a federal district course about that. in indiana, that case went to the supreme court in 2008 and the supreme court ruled that law was constitutional and the state did have a legitimate reason to want to improve the electoral process. so ultimately this will be decided by the courts. >> mara, charles and kelly wilkinson's debut on "the panel." thank you all for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >>> coming up, rush limbaugh is back in "the rewrite" tonight. he talked about socialism today on his show in as strange a way as he has ever talked about anything. publicly anyway. rush limbaugh told us more about himself than he intended to and you'll hear it all in "the rewrite." ask me what it's like when my tempur-pedic moves. 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[ normal voice ] so i can trust 'em. unlike randy. are you in good hands? >> rush limbaugh at the limbaugh institute for advanced conservative studies. the e-mail address -- >> so began the third hour of today's radio seminar at the limbaugh institute for advanced conservative studies, which i happened upon by merry chance simply because my local ford dealership quickly performed a minor repair on my fusion hybrid just in time for me to get back behind the wheel and hear this -- >> this is from the "orlando sentinel" 36-year-old jacksonville, florida, man is accused of performing a sex act on himself while driving south on i-95. dawn, you may not want to hear this. i don't know how you can avoid it. >> of course, the only way for dawn to avoid it is for rush to stop talking about it, but as the dean of the limbaugh institute forr eadvanced conservative study, rush decided it was time for some advanced conservative study of sex while driving. >> he denied performing the sex act. he said another driver who reported him to authorities misunderstood what he was doing while driving. he said he was using drumsticks to hit his steering wheel. he told deputy he commutes from jacksonville to daytona beach. he frequently simulates playing the drums while driving by hitting the steering wheel with the drumsticks. so what happened was a woman from flagler beach called authorities at 8:00 wednesday morning and said a driver later identified as this guy was performing a sex act on himself while driving a chevrolet astrovan. >> i know what you're thinking. why has professor limbaugh decided to include solo sex while driving in an advanced conservative studies seminar? there is a clue in what he just said. a one-word clue about where he's going with this. and i'm sure some of his more advanced students caught it. but as usual, rush is way ahead of most of his students. notice the technique he uses to bring the slower students like me along with him. he slows it down and asks questions. >> dawn, a question. if you were driving i-95 and you saw a guy you thought was performing a sex act, would you call 911? would you call the authorities? you don't think you would notice? now stop and think -- >> rush, who a moment ago acknowledged that dawn may not want to hear this is now forcing dawn to stop and think about it. >> now stop and think. this guy plays he's playing the drums. he has the drumsticks on the steering wheel. she thinks she's watching a sex act. you're driving along i-95 next door a guy or a woman, whatever, you think performing a sex act. would you call 911? brian would you call 911? it would never occur to me. >> you know how in some college courses the lecture becomes more about the teacher than about the subject. that happens with rush. a lot. okay, rush, you got me. you're driving along i-95. you see a guy, as you put it, performing a sex act. we now know you wouldn't call 911. we now know that would never occur to you. and now what we want to know more than anything else, because this is where you've led us is what would occur to you? that's what you owe us as a storyteller and a life teacher at the limbaugh institute for advanced conservative studies. what would occur to you? would you try to get a better look at what the guy was doing with his drumstick? would you signal him to pull over at the next roadside rest area? would you follow him home? well, i could go on and on. that's where rush led us. that's what we wanted to know but that's not what we got. instead we go another lesson in advanced conservative studies about the auto bailout. that's right. this is a chevrolet astro van we're talking about and we know who makes chevrolets, general motors. and you know who saved general motors from going out of business, president barack obama did. and you know how bad it is for america that president obama saved general motors from going out of business. >> and chevrolet astrovan. oh, have you seen the general motors news? general motors is now -- it's a mess. it's lost more money than what we paid to bail them out now. classic. classic. and you hated -- nobody wants to see general motors decay like this. they did not save them. obama did not save anything. he will not save anything. anyway, back to the drumstick guy here. >> see? yet another example of context is everything. rush wasn't just talking about a guy accused of masturbating while driving. rush was using that colorful story to teach a story about socialism, the auto bailout. he was rewriting a masturbation story into a socialism story. i would like to see some lefty college professor try that. that's why rush gets the big bucks. now, it's true rush sounds eager to get back to the drumsticks guy, but that's just because he knows the attention span of the students at the limbaugh institute for advanced conservative studies. rush figures they can take approximately one sentence about general motors and the auto baitout for every ten sentences about masturbating in chevrolet astro vans while driving. and so he went back to the drumstick guy and smoothly changed from the economics of the auto bailout to psychology and the profound psychological question that rush has obviously spent mush of his life contemplating -- when is a drumstick just a drumstick. >> anyway, back to the drumstick guy here? just sit tight here. i'm going to explain how you drive a car by playing drumsticks on the steering we'll. the woman said she was driving alongside the chevrolet astro van. she called the authorities. she gave the authorities the guy's tag number and she followed him until the authorities pulled him over. when a valucia county deputy approached the astro van, he spontaneously explained he was hitting drumsticks against his steering wheel as he drove. he invited the deputy to search the astro van. the deputy did and found two sets of wooden drumsticks between the two front seats. they were a natural wood color and they closely resembled his own skin color said the report. the deputy reinterviewed the woman and asked if it was possible that she confused his drumming for a sex act. she was adamant she had a clear view of his penis. she stated it was not possible she mistook the drumstick for his penipenis. she said she wanted to pursue criminal charges. she completed a sworn written statement detailing what she saw. >> now rush's last few sentences in which he got to say the word pea us in repeatedly on the radio, they're actually taken word for word from the newspaper account right through the last sentence he just spoke. that was the last sentence of the article. but rush wasn't finished. he was all caught up in his excitement about drumsticks and wrapped up this particular lesson in advances conservative studies as he so often does by telling us much more about himself than he eve realized. >> i've seen drumsticks and i've seen penis and believe me, i know the difference, particularly when i'm looking at them in an astro van driving on i-95. >> well, all right then. i guess the next time you see rush patrolling i-95, trying to look into the cockpits of astro vans, now you'll know what he's looking for. home protector plus, from liberty mutual insurance, where the costs to both repair your home and replace your possessions are covered. and we don't just cut a check for the depreciated value -- we can actually replace your stuff with an exact or near match. plus, if your home is unfit to live in after an incident, we pay for you to stay somewhere else while it's being repaired. home protector plus, from liberty mutual insurance. because you never know what lies around the corner. to get a free quote, call... visit a local office, or go to libertymutual.com today. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? 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. it's not exactly true. it was up about all of the people in the george w. bush administration. cheney, rumsfeld and colin powell and richard r. medish who had risen with them in sight of the republican party. despite all the differences among the members of the previous administration, they shared some common traits and beliefs. all of them had backgrounds in the military or in the pentagon and this was true of the secretary of state who had been the chairman of that joint chiefs of staff. richard r. medish as it was of cheney and rumsfeld. it's rare to have an administration with the former secretary of defense. and they also shared some common beliefs. america was unquestionably a force for good in the world. a military power was of supreme importance and in fact the disagreements among them were halgand win force should be used for the united states should be saved for the big war were used for house it was in iraq. immediately after obama's election in 2008i decided i wanted to take a look at the democrats over the same time period. many of my books have covered the same t
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story that i had told him about shortly after george h. w. bush was elected president, his brother called me and said that he was going to run against lowell weicker in the primary in connecticut. that actually the families had lived next door to each other and the kids didn't get along which was the real reason. but he said i need your help because we conservatives have to stick together. and i said prescott, you are not a conservative. you have never been a conservative and you will never be one. if you want my help because i don't like lowell weicker, that's one thing but don't try that one. he said no, you don't understand. now that reagan's been elected we're all conservatives. and that's what i'm talking about because it was more a little thing than a philosophical thing. and a movement of ideas, i mean, this doesn't just take place among conservatives. think of the communist world. by the time the soviet union collapsed, the communist party was like the rotary club, more dangerous than the rotary club, but to find -- you would have been hard pressed to find a communiist in t
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he had never been a follower. and when he sensed that a new generation of conservatives was leading the movement off in directions he considered politically and philosophically unsound he spoke up. his fusionism was threatening to come apart at the seams as a result of its own success. frank myer, when warned by a young activist years ago that in power, the different of constituencies that made up the movement might want very different things and be willing to use the power of the state in very different ways than he foresaw, myer suggested that we could fight battles over those things in the basement of the white house if and when we ever ended up there. at the time, of course, the idea that we would end up there was fairly farfetched. but we did end up in the white house and once we got there, the differences began to surface. and in part because the various constituencies could surface them. and in part because many were not sufficiently socialized into the movement that buckley had formed. in the early days, this hadn't been a problem. we argued the issues and we came to accommodationist solutions. we took all of these things into consideration and we got it. my own experience was perhaps typical or at least not atypical. i was mentored by frank myer himself, which was quite an experience. myer as i said earlier was the highest ranking american communist to defect and in those days, the communists took that sort of thing seriously and the kremlin took out a contract on it. he took hiding during the day and working at night, ensconced in a farmhouse in upstate new york. he would get up when the rest of humanity was going to bed, work all night and then sleep all day as he had learned to do while he was on the lam. but frank was not just the book review editor of national review. he was the conscience of this new movement. and unlike some who defected, he would not even for a minute itch accept the fear expressed by whitaker chambers that he had left the winning for the losing side. frank had never been in a battle that he did not expect to win and he expected to win this one. frank meant to beat the communists and as one who had been in charge of recruiting and training new party members, he knew how to go about looking for, finding, and motivating young conservatives. every couple of months, he would invite or perhaps order me to come to woodstock, new york. i would dutifully fly to new york, catch a bus to woodstock and arrive in the evening just as he was ready to start a quasi socratic educational session that would last far into the night. he would want to know what i had read since we last met, what i had accomplished and what i was going to accomplish when i got back to wisconsin. back in madison, after getting some rest and sobering up, i would get calls late in the evening from frank myer checking to make certain that i was doing what i had agreed to do and making progress in the struggle in which we were all involved. in between my assigned readings, i would attend work shops organized by the intercollegiate society of individualists or isi. i would organize and debate and if i was lucky, i might get to do a little studying. it was an exhilarating time for me and for those like me. we knew what the movement was about. but with political success, it began to grow perhaps too quickly. i have observed in a different context that one can tell that an idea-driven movement is on the verge of political success when the rats board the ship. the new recruits that streamed in added to our numbers and were well intentioned, but there were too many to educate as thoroughly as frank and his fellows had educated those of us who were with him in the beginning and before long, they began to say they were conservatives not because of hayek or buckley or kirk, but because they liked reagan or bush or gingrich. if you took away gingrich or reagan or bush and asked them then why they were conservatives, they couldn't answer that question. our task today, and it is one in which many conservatives are engaged, is to resocialize the core and remind new recruits of just what it means to be a conservative rather than just conservative. the distinction is all-important. as witnessed buckley's description of george w. bush. "he is conservative, buckley told an interviewer, but he is not a conservative." in other words, he didn't get it. in recent years, there have emerged or re-emerged folks that we call paleoconservatives, national defense conservatives, social and religious conservatives, constitutional conservatives, big government conservatives, and neoconservatives. all trying and fighting for the right to redefine and lead the movement buckley called into being. reminding one of the time that al gore campaigning in milwaukee mistranslated e pluribus unum as out of one many. a few years ago, at the conservative political action conference that mallory mentioned earlier, we honored bill's brother jim and former minnesota senator eugene mccarthy for their 1947 challenge to that era's campaign finance reform. in responding to the toasts, the liberal gene mccarthy stood up and said, you conservatives have had a good run but you are in trouble. because i keep hearing talk of hyphenated conservatives. that's what happened to liberals in the '60s. and when they start referring to you in hyphenated terms, you are headed for a crackup. as bill looks down on us today, he is no doubt hoping that we will be far wiser than mccarthy's liberals and that we will work as hard to preserve our coalition as he did to build it. thank you very much. >> we're going to take a short break and be right back with questions and answers. >> welcome back. with me is david keene. and we're now going to take questions from the cadets. question. >> sir, you described the political and economic landscape post world war ii as a collectivist faith in government sort of dominating. but to me, i kind of see that not a lot has changed. we still look to the government for entitlements, stupid loans, national disasters, and even today, health care and birth control. has anything really changed? >> in some ways it has. it depends on whether you look at the glass as half full or half empty. the reagan years changed the way in which people looked at government programs. prior to reagan and post-roosevelt, there was an assumption that if there was a problem, the solution was to spend money on it. and anybody who questioned that obviously didn't want to solve the problem. after reagan, there was and that, of course, was a rebuttable presumption. after reagan there was a presumption and you still see it, that if you have a problem and you want to spend money on it, that's not the answer. that's rebuttal, as well. so it changed the way people looked at these things. and that lasted for some time. now, if you ask whether the government is bigger now than it was then or it was in the '50s, obviously it is. the -- and what we have now is we have -- we have sort of politically two things have happened. one, the sort of bipartisan establishment thinking of the '50s and '60s which was almost-in-law favor of government solutions to everything has broken down. but now you have two relatively evenly divide camps. and it's one of the reasons why politics has become so -- the critic would say dysfunctional bitter, divided. it's become that way because now we have two camps with very, very different views of the way this country should be run and the very, very different visions of what the future should be like. if the conservative movement hadn't risen from 1955 on, if reagan had not been elected you wouldn't believe how far down that road we might be today. have we turned around and moved backward? we did for a few years. but that final decision in terms of at any great length of time has not been made. that has to be made by the voters. in many ways, this election may be less about all the personalities that are involved than it is about that question. because if you think about where the two parties throwing out all of the personalities again, one of the parties, the republicans have said it's gone too far. we're on the road 0 bankruptcy. we can't do this. we can't tax and spend and do what we've done before because we're about to hit the wall the way greece and other places have done it. the other party is making a bet that they've always made and that is, you've said the sky is going to fall before and it never has. and we're just going to go on. so you notice in the state of the union message, the president never mentioned the debt. he never mentioned the deficits. he just said we need to spends more money. in a historical sense, that's a better bet because they've won that one a lot of times. the republicans are making a more dangerous bet because their bet is based on the fact that the reality has changed and that the public recognizes that change and will therefore vote differently. but this could be the election that's decided on the debate between those two views rather than on which candidate smiles better or has a better family or who comes from your state or those kinds of things. so your answer is, no, that hasn't ended. and it was reagan who famously said that at any and all times, the loss of freedom is but a generation away. much of what reagan did in the united states or go to england what thatcher did in england has almost been forgotten. as those countries have moved in other directions since. so it's the kind of thing you have to do every day. and believe me, when i was a student, democrats, nationally outnumbered republicans two to one. liberals outnumbered conservatives in polls three to one. and today, that's not the case. that's reversed. so there's been a vast change as a result of these ideas. but that has not all translated into public policy because, you know, coming from nowhere to 49% or 51% is a big deal. but it doesn't take you all the way. >> next question. mr. lacy. >> sir i was wondering if you could expound on the idea you mentioned about resocializing the core. you talked about the difference between having conservatives because of reagan, gingrich or bush versus you know hayek and kirk. i feel like we're not of hayek and kirk and school. and i feel the medial produces more reagan, bush conservatives. >> my reference isn't to whether you read hayek or kirk or someone else but that the movement of ideas which was really a movement of people who got it, who understood the ideas, who understood they were conservative because of a certain view of man and the future and the role of government was replaced by people who liked reagan. you know, and they sort of shared -- al who spoke to you earlier and wrote a book on the movement began a book with a story that i had told him about shortly after george h. w. bush was elected president, his brother called me and said that he was going to run against lowell weicker in the primary in connecticut. that actually the families had lived next door to each other and the kids didn't get along which was the real reason. but he said i need your help because we conservatives have to stick together. and i said prescott, you are not a conservative. you have never been a conservative and you will never be one. if you want my help because i don't like lowell weicker, that's one thing but don't try that one. he said no, you don't understand. now that reagan's been elected we're all conservatives. and that's what i'm talking about because it was more a political thing than a philosophical thing. and a movement of ideas, i mean, this doesn't just take place among conservatives. think of the communist world. by the time the soviet union collapsed, the communist party was like the rotary club, more dangerous than the rotary club, but to find -- you would have been hard pressed to find a communist in that party. they were there because they got jobs. they were because that was how you succeeded. it was a key to get into various places and the like. and at its worst description was a bunch of thugs but there was a bunch of marxist/leninists anymore. no faith there. everybody as the soviet empire collapsed had their moment when they realized it was really over. my moment came if you'll remember in romania or if you read in romania, ceausescu ordered his troops to fire on his citizens and they did. and then the general who carried out the order committed suicide because in order to perpetrate inhumanity that the communists perpetrated the people ho did it had to believe in instinct. they had to believe they weren't just killing people. they were doing it for a higher good. and when that general committed suicide that, told you they didn't have any religion anymore and that he couldn't live with himself for having done it. their ideas were gone and their movement collapsed. and that's on the commune just side. i'm not drawing any kind of an analogy in a sense but as yergin points out, successful political movements begin with ideas. they then become successful any, and people rush in and the ideas begin to get diluted and they become about other things, about power and jobs and success. when i was a young conservative, if you were graduating from the citadel, you did not join up with us because it was the road to success. it was the road to oblivion. so if you joined, you joined because you believed. and you wanted to believe. by 1985, you joined because you might get a job in washington or you might get this or you might get that. that's a whole different thing. now, you need those people to be successful, but as your numbers grow, you have to make sure that as many as possible are socialized into the beliefs that motivated it in the first place. that's what i was really talking about. i've been preaching this for some time is what conservatives now have to do is go back and re-create that core. re-create the people who get it. and then the rest of the folks are people that you welcome into your movement. but you don't rely on them for the -- to take the -- to steer the ship because they don't really know where it's going. >> buckley's fusionism was a really a movement the of ideas, not a political movement the initially. >> correct. >> you had national review, modern age, isi, yaf, the freeman. but finally, it finds an expression new york conservative party. >> well, buckley. >> goldwater candidacy. buckley, the fusionism was in large measure an attempt to take you the ideas and to create -- to make them saleable, to make them into something that cog one day become a movement. in the early days, a movement of ideas begins with really debates on college campuses. no matter what movement it is. in coffee houses if you will, or in bars. it begins with writers talking and writing and arguing. if you again go back 0 communism remember the period when they were in exile. that's what they did. they honed their philosophy and they came up with something in their context they thought they could sell at least with the aid of some guns. that was of at the time, the importance of the buckley run for mayor, for example, was that you could actually go out and run for office. you know, that that was something that this was the beginning of another stage, and there was a sense at that time that maybe you could do something. the goldwater, the two most important elections in many ways of the -- of that era before the reagan victory in 1980 were the goldwater campaign of 1964 and the republican party and the mcgovern campaign and the democratic party. both of those campaigns lost. and both of them brought a generation of people, people that disagreed very much, but idea-based people, into their party and both of them took over their parties, and the goldwater campaign really told conservatives that they could win. now, if you look at the history, goldwater who became the hero of the right even before the publication of conscience of a conservative stood up on the senate floor and was often the only vote on things. and accused the eisenhower administration of running what he called was a dime store new deal and that that had to stop. he was saying we cannot be just a pale imitation of them. if we are, why are we in this business in the first place? and we aren't going to success anyway. goldwater was nominated for the name was put in nomination in chicago in 1960 for the vice presidential nomination and got up and gave a famous speech in which the most remembered lines are conservatives grow up. you can take this party. and buckley and these people were putting this together beginning to shift it into a political mode with the things that you talked about and barry goldwater said now is the time to stop arguing among yourselves in the coffee shop to get out and organize and take over this party. and that's what happened after chicago. they marched out. and they took over that party and they nominated goldwater in 1964. and that changed the world. >> do you see that happening today? >> well, we're not in that kind of stage. we're now in a sort of fight within the party about -- it's very different. somebody's told me how great it was in those days. you know, sort of like in the military. wasn't it wonderful when you had the nazis you could fight or the communists instead of these people you can't mind? and he said the same. he said, you know, back in those days it was rockefeller and percy you know and these people who came out and said we're liberals and then the conservatives said there they are, let's get them. now we have fights in which five candidates get up and say i'm a conservative and i'm more conservative than he is, and so it's a different kind of world. so the question now is not who is a better conservative because if you look at who will do the things that need to be done and how do you get them done, not how do you put that together because it is in fact, together. >> questions? yes, mr. melon. >> going off that - >> this current primary has all three -- the conservatives. big government conservative, it has libertarian, it has social conservatism. to what extent is the eventual nominee going to set the tone for the future of the republican party? >> the nominee always to some extent does. one of the things that the -- a party does not have -- the way our parties work, it's the guy who gets nominated for the presidency who really sets it up. so depending on who is nominated, obviously you'll have a different emphasis, but all of them have to put all of those different things together and all of them will present a conservative message. the interesting thing, there was a "washington post" article the other day. the interesting thing is the candidates really don't disagree on very much. you know, they don't like each other. they'd all like to have the job. but their disagreement is not as significant as you might think it is, except, except with ron paul on some issues. but even there, most republicans agree with ron paul on about 85% of the stuff. he falls into -- i think in the readings for this course, there were -- there was a -- there was one of russell kirk's readings about the libertarians. kirk overstates it because he dislikes them as much as they disliked him. but the libertarian -- the problem in all of these places, going to extremes, and of course the libertarians that didn't go to the extremes kirk says wasn't really a libertarian, he was a conservative, is on the foreign policy side. although paul's getting a lot of support there because the other candidates have all sort of adopted a neoconservative position on foreign policy, which is the u.s. role is to go forward and remake the world in its own image. and paul is way extreme the other way. but the libertarian sort of view on that came about because their analysis of history which is entirely correct, the growth of the superstate as a result of what they call the warfare state, that it's the need to get resources and command an economy to go to war that created everything from the income tax, to the regulations, and all these things. back during the '70s they then said, well, so if you didn't have to have a war, then you wouldn't grow the government? that logically follows. but if there's an existential threat, then you have to spend all this money on defense, but what if there isn't? well, then you wouldn't have to. so they ended up in the '70s with a new left saying the cold war was our fault. because if it was our fault, we could stop it. if it was the soviet's, we couldn't stop it. then we had to defend. i remember recently deceased chairman of the cato institute, who is a dear friend of mine, an economist, he just recently died. i remember after the cold war ended and the libertarians were not involved in c-pac and things like this. i said, you should come back in because now you're not a borderline trader. you're just an interesting excentric. but what they did was, when you have an ideology and you take it, you know, and you say, how do i get to where i want to go, that's where -- and ron paul does the same thing today. he says, we shouldn't be invading all these countries. i agree with him on that. but then he says the reason we shouldn't do it is this is all our fault. and that's not true. what you get in these camps, you see it with kirk's hostility toward the libertarians. you see it with the objectivist attack on religion and all that. you get people that are ideologically motivated primarily to, you know, to construct the world that doesn't exist. and that's the legitimacy of kirk's observation. was also the legitimacy of what buckley was dealing with. and he said, okay, let's get real, guys. you know, it doesn't work quite this way and you can't be that ideological. but that fight is an important fight, which is going on now, i would say, in the movement, but now unlike the '60s, the movement is reflected by the republican party. and you've got the -- there are a couple of examples right now. there's a fight going on over the control of the cato institute between the koch brothers, and cato was originally the koch brothers foundation. and became cato. the current people who control the cato institute, because they are libertarians who basically say -- on both your parties. and the kochs are saying, we're libertarians who think that doesn't get you very far. that's a legitimate argument within that movement. on the other side, you have the -- you have people now who are beginning to say, we can't remake the world in the -- in our image. that was something the neoconservatives really wanted to do. that we could make iraq into little america. that, you know, afghanistan is a place where we could have elections. and i was in vietnam right after -- this takes this -- i'm taking too long. i'm branching out from your -- i'm going to do it, anyway, because i'm long winded. in, i think it was '65, '66, maybe, lyndon johnson went it hawaii and said we're going to win the vietnam war with village elections. i asked, when in the middle of the iraq war, i was in a meeting where they sent somebody from the national security council to explain how we were going to win iraq war. i said, sounds like you have a plan, you're going to keep applying it until you find some place where it works. we ordered the government, we ordered them to have village elections. so they went. and our greatest allies in vietnam -- and i raise this question in an argument with frank who was a leading neocon -- is. i was at a -- our greatest allies were the montagnard tribesmen. not even vietnamese. their polynesians. nobody knows why they're even there. they're up in the mountains. they were repelled by the regimentation of the communists as they came down. they became our really strongest allies in the war. the vietnamese army showed up at this village and told them they're going to have to have an election. they all looked at them, they said, we've been choosing our head man for 5,000 years in this whatever way, stone age cultures do this. they said, no, you have to have an election. that night they told the american advisers to stay in their tents and they beheaded all the south vietnamese soldiers that came up there. i raised the point to frank, i said, what right -- these were our allies. these were people who fought with us and they were fighting with us for all the reasons we wanted them to. because they wanted to be free of this. what right did we have to tell them they had to change their governmental selection process that had been in place for 5,000 years? i said, that was absurd. he said, on the contrary, you don't understand, that's the most important thing we could have done because we need to remake things this way. the neoconservatives really believed that. that just leads to a lot of beheadings, you know, and fortunately nobody told those tribesmen that the south vietnamese had been ordered to do that by the americans. so the americans got to survive the evening. but there -- that had never been
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actually this is a real problem. men need to show their manhood and arguably george w. bush had something to prove to the nation and to himself and to his father, when he evaded iraq. i mean you don't have to get too heavy into the psycho babl to see the draw and lure of war men have been drawn by. eisenhower had won world war ii, conquered, liberated europe. teddy roosevelt an interesting example. got war out of his system by charging up san juan hills. he was the ultimate war lover. he was almost crazy about it. but he got it out of his system by doing it himself. when he became president he was not -- we talked about speak softly but carry a big stick, he believed in power but he didn't rush. he was not des trait praits to rush into a war because he proved himself. >> let's talk about woodrow wilson and world war i. how did he respond to world war i? >> slowly. and moved toward engagement, involvement, in a way that was driven by a high-minded ideology that america having preserved itself and he was a conflicted southerner, that's redundant. >> yes. >> sometimes. >> that is.
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Jul 26, 2012 2:00am PDT
"not watching ""the real housewives"." how much. >>> some hollywood love for george w. bush from debra messing. she praised bush for his work against aids. >>> in a conference call, "newsweek" announced it may stop printing the magazine by the end of the year. established in 1933 and its stories, analysis and commentary will continue online. >>> roseanne barr went a little too far in a tweet criticizing chick-fil-a restaurants for opposing same-sex marriage. barr's tweet said in part that people who eat at chick-fil-a deserve to "get the cancer that is sure to come from eating torture-filled chickens." >>> hooere is your "first look"t how wall street is going to open the day. the dow opens up at 12,676. the s&p was down a fraction. the nasdaq fell eight. taking a look at overseas trading this morning, in tokyo, the nikkei rose 77 points. >>> the worst news came from zynga, slashing its 2012 outlook and badly missed earnings estimates. it plunged as much as 40% after hours. investors fear a ripple effect for facebook when it delivers its first earnings report today, the social net
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speech writer for george w. bush. i would wonder whether the romney campaign wanted to be booed at the naacp. that whole line, could he maybe been aiming at his own base with that one? >> i asked the romney campaign that very question when we had a chance to talk with them. they did not respond to that question but were peppered with so many questions i think they were having trouble answering all of them. they didn't have time to answer all of them. i will say that mitt romney did get a lot of conservative props on twitter and social media for coming to this group and sticking to his principles and policy positions. he did not tailor his speech. he said he would repeal the president's signature legislative achievement, that is the health care law and tipped off a number of other iemts. and so even the leadership of the naacp that i talked to after this event were saying mitt romney showed a lot of courage in coming here today. >> speaking of props you eluded to this. this is something in which romney got a much better response. take a listen. >> any policy that lifts up and honors the
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Jul 9, 2012 3:00pm PDT
of barack obama released 12 years. george w. bush released eight years of tax returns. bill clinton eight years. ronald reagan at least six years. romney -- willard romney, just two years. even his father when he was running for president, george romney, released 12 years. so it's the appearance that you're not being transparent. >> right. what's really remarkable about this is that mitt romney very well could become president and he could do it while going through less of a vetting than his own nominees will go through. you know, you can't be a deputy assistant secretary at the department of transportation giving up the amount of information that he's giving up. so -- and i don't think he's going to be able to get away with only releasing this one year. but we don't know what's in those returns. maybe he made the calculation what's in those returns is so damaging politically to him he'd rather take this heat. maybe he took some tax amnesty a couple years ago and that's why he doesn't want to do it. >> but, ryan, when you look at that and i'm stepping on your answer, but i need to a
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Jul 6, 2012 1:00pm PDT
the candidates who win and watching george w. bush do this through two elections, express confidence and faith in america's future. now, there are r plenty of bromide patriotism in romney's speeches, but the core argument he has is negative. and this is very much the framework the democrats had in 2004 about a different problem, the war in iraq. then you had a president who said i know this is tough, but we've got to stick with it, stay the course and we're going to make it to victory. now, the fs a weird looking victory for him, but that was his sales pitch and you had john kerry saying this is terrible, a disaster. i don't know where i stand or where i did before or where i'm going to stand, but in any case, it's going really badly. people would rather have somebody saying i know this is tough, but i have a way out and america always finds its way out. that's where we're seeing in mirror image today. >> karen, as we said, it's a study in contrast today on the campaign trail and there's one area it's stark. just in terms of pure optic, how does an image like the one we sa
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Jul 29, 2012 8:00pm EDT
use and a 30-tablet free trial. >> >> we're back talking with governor jeb bush. the george w. bush institute has come out with a book called "the 4% solution", what does that mean, the 4% solution? >> means if we could grow our economy in real terms at 4% per year, over a sustained period of time, that we could begin to solve these, what appear to be intractable problems. if we don't grow at that rate. then i think there are going to be a lot of the shattered dreams in in country. we have to grow far faster than what obama economics is bringing us and we can do that with a set of policies and this book is about this, really brilliant people are writing chapters on a variety of different policy areas that combined could create the chance that we could achieve an aspirational goal of 4% per year over a decade of time. >> mike: and we've never really sustained that level of growth. so we're talking about we'll have to do something differently to get that kind of result, but what are the the things we've got to do to make that work? >> we'd have to have fiscal reform. entitlement reform, governm
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e magemt ofain capal aftefebrryf19. i lt i febaryf 99. rinquhed on magemt authority and re in bain capital after february of 1999. >> the truth is that i left any role at ba citaln fruar of 9. >> wl ait thaart o m s bmed tt iidn' gne ofheseitt rney inrvie whverydy ee goone. but on the other hand, i realize all he would have said to me is, i left bain capital in 1999. and iould havid,rdon an h wouave sa, ieft ba capal i. wou saan chae t suect? wou sa lt i 19. here is why it matters. the question of bain capital, when mitt romney was there and when he lef it'sritil toitt rney' viblabily asolital candate ate lt bai capiln1999 ase say and sa a says his electability depends in pt on that being true, which is why he says it all t time. >> i left that business i1999 toelput the st le cit olpicsab oack. >> wh wked a one compy, in, r 2ye, and lef that toffnd hpave the olympic games. >> i left massachusetts to go run the olympics and left my organization. i was out thereull ti. >>eft bn in 1999 i s ohereulltime i was he n time eomne cpaign suldtart prinnghat on srtsnd coee cs and bumper stickers and dog ouft's because that's central to his campaign. last year, that assertion appeared in pin engsh on t formead to fil to run f esidt. hifinaial discsureform it'slain glis he retired from bain capital on february 11, 1999, to head the salt lake organizer committee. since february 11th, 1999, . roeyasot had a tive re iny ban cital enti in any wa you naveoe a lawr to know what in any way means. the reason mr. romney keeps insisting he left bain capit a feweek to19 ihe esn'ant ansr fot thgs bn catal did after that. he doesn't want to answer for layoffs and bankruptcy at dynamic details, the layoffs and closing of the tteel mil whe the feraloverent h com in d b outhe nsio fdsr the way modus media and smtc corpses sent jobs overseaess. he doesn't want tonswer f anof tse this th ha happed a baicapil aer aid heog gon sai h lt th ggoncompy. now he has a problem which is two fold. the first fold, reporters have been finding and publhing lot of iiden whe hehows up inain capal dumen as bein ver mh pt of t coany aft19. ey have been publishing bain capital documents like this one from after 1999. this one from the year 2000, showing mitt romney as theole sheholr, se dictor chfxecuve oicernd esidt ofainpita here onerom e flowi yearfrom 01,amthing. bain capital telling federal authorities that mitt romney owns bain and is the boss. theostoglobyestday ilt tharepoin finng finaial discsure fms f mr. mney tha lis h a t 0% se oerf baiapit in 02. as these stories have started breaking as this reporting over the last couple weeks has started snowballing, the reonseromr. roey is tha the dumen tha swis na onhem fmain cital afte19, tse docents don' maer. thes are jt lal mum mbo. 's jt auirk ohe law. even though i mitt romney have signed these documents saying that i mitt romney a pnceay engedn t busessf servg as theoletockolde of tfi, thasustegal stf. th's jt techcali. ion't mea. it's not really true. if you were a rich investment manager like me, you would understand, really, you would undetand in you het. day,r. roey abored o hisefen by saygll ohe form his nms bei oll of e forell aft99,ll ofhese forms, what they meant was that he was the owner, but he was not as the owner paying attention to these things that he owned. he wot ping aenti t anhingt ba. heas n speing ythi. he w n gng t etin, noakin desion he was not dog anhingt bain heasusttill owning it. if that's true, it means mr. romney wants us to believe, look at this, look. look. heants u to bieve tt he g gopaid lot foing absotelynothg. heade $10000 i001 and agn i002or the job of doing absolutely nothing at bain capital. nothing at all. at $1,000alar i nhe retu froaninstme. at'sot sebod ping him ba a ln. th's mt roeyakin 00,0 for job tte insists he did not do. are there any more of those jobs available out thehereou gepaid$1,000 to thin sweou'r dng absutel nothg? arthesobs ailab ifour me isotitt roey? , ybe,all me well now mitt romne has a further problem beyond that. back when he ran for governor of massachusetts in 20, mr. mneyave srnestiny aboubein aegalesidt of maachutts d thefore beineligle to run f gornor i lid in maschusts ahe time, still do, and i remember people having consternation that this guy who lichbed in utah was ing to be govnorf masshuses. heestied hived i masshuses. heaidven thoh h had bn bu runng t olyics in utahhe tvele to masshuses althe time for th personal reason and for business reasons. business reasons? he specifically mentioned havin com bac f brd mtings 2002 incling aareny bod meingsor a comny tha bn had sta in. he swore then he was coming back to massachusetts in 2002 to go to board meetings. he says w he was doing nothg, nhingnothg atll retedo bnfter 99. soitt romy sa he s no therat bain als saye washere it all depends on who's asking and why. this year, when republicans were trying to pick a republican nominee to run against pside obam mr.roey's oppentsn erimariedo nl him on is. ey ted t s hehoul leashis tax retus, he shou cle up all thiuff. di't rlly go anywhere in the primaries. the first person who realized mitt romney wastruggling with this, that he was trying to create a lite cogtive ssonce aund is,ryin toake opleelie two oppote tngs athe me me, wand toevad respsibity f wha hapned his firm while still getting credit for being at his firm, the first perso who realized that the first pern who wrallewithhat w h opnentn th msachetts goveor'sace. whe yut opleealt rebefits c the psion benets a csehe plan i has become known that your company made $102 million in profits from the se of tha coany,romdismltalng at mpan myuestn to you is,ouldt u hav me $8 mlion stea of 02illi and heedpeopl i their health care benefits for longer or extended their pension benefits. >> i was off at the olympics -- >> a youoing tnswe the esti? >> i wthe olyicshen at curr. >>he ft i y we sti siing cumes aceo o t coanyhile y were away. in the summer of 2001 when you were leaving the olympics you made a statement in the paper that in theummeof 21, y reinalelinishi 100% contl ofour posio in bainsoappantlyyou hadt linqshedhat forend. >>oini us now is shannon o'bri o'brien, mitt romney's democratic opponent in the 2002 ce f gornor e's forrembefhe ste hsend ste nate real nicto hav youhe. >> hi,ache niceo me yound nicto et a neighbor from northampton. i lived in east hampton. >> very good. looking back at the debate foote, athe fst psono prs mi rneynha caaignbouthat rlly haenedtainapit and wh h w rponsle f bai capt's tion are you surprised to see it coming up again now? is this the same bas issue you were confronting him when years ag t's tameasic iue and hecritizede dply r vingone methg le this ravin deied tuestn his truthful, and it's taken ten years to figur out that actually maybe he wasn't telling the truth. >> obvisly,he omaampan habeoingfterr. rney forhe appentonflts in the rerd. wond, havou bnn coact th t oba mpai. artheynterested in what you know? are they following any of your lead from what you raised with him a decade ago? >> i certainly thing that aot of the recdhat w creed in 02, t oma peoe a loing . ian, ian'tee tsrom re, t i gssou he had eideopefne o our earlr dates fro 2002, so i really think that after ten years, it's really making sure that you hold someone accotablfor etatents ey ke. u ow, gerno --orme goveoromney h demstrad a patrn oasicly n bng coleteransrent autis financial dealings. on the one hand he says the reason shehead be the president of the united states is because he's job creor andhe reon w shodeliee's a jocrear is bause of h faastitrac recdtba. bu the wn pssed abo the baruptes a theost jobs, then he doesn't want to have anything to do with that. so i think that we were able to uncover quite a bit of that in 20, an i thi it' jt okinat tincoisteies, not oy in 200 bounow in s las racnd ihisra. just making sure that he's being truthful and making sure he's being consistent in the message he's pressing for making the se ttheeopl of the unid ates >> iave en minaing ihe riouocumts f f daystryio fige outhat is impoant,hat mhteall be legal mumbo jummo the way his campaign is pointing ou and it sticks outor me he was paid 00,0 botin001 and002 bybainotecau of an vestnt b as alar for beg an execive,nd if hes multeous claing h did nothing, he did absolutely nothing, and that he was paid $100,000or being an ecutive, it sms te likne of the ingsannostan thisas tfallapt,fnly thapoin tha tail autim gting id $10000 f eac o tse yes, i that newo you? did you know that at the time? >> that was part of his statement of finanal interest when he was in the campaign, and i think that's one of the reons ate prsed m on thisssue in 2002 and tual pbabl bieve thativenheime tt h w kingunhe ompic before he came back to massachusetts to run, probably the day to day operations of the business of the size and gnite ofainerobay sn'ting, buthat hapns inhese pritenvesent mpans is itial i sencwhenou me an invement you g sea ohe ard,nd the's reason you get seats on the board. because you're basally watching overseeing the management of the other companies, watching the decisis th'r kingakin surehey' folwing gd coorat govnns a prottinghe invtmen you ma. hav satn a numrf different corporate boards including some financial institutions and i understand that even if you're no involved in the day to day operatns, it tha boa wkhat ao bemes portt. he pbablwaetti pd for sof tha boanvolment was connuin to maiain whilhe was sll runnghe olympics. that's my reading from all of the stories i have seen in the paper. >> having himay s bland ite day er andver d ov aga on l o t netwk inteiewsic w doi nothg, thin nothg, and enettiaid f mething. >> as someone who sat on a board, it's sort of interesting because board members be good board members, and we get td thisy manemen aheme, thers arigh lin beten wh manemen doe ahat a bod do. at a brd does,ery imrtan fraly n onl to the govnance to a company, the direction they're taking, the major decisions that a company is taking, so even thougou manote invvednhe day to d magemt obain orhe mpans yo disssedefor i me ,utou'r ctain inlvednheirecon and theajor disio tha are taki place. so i think that it's somewhat disingenuous for him t s h s nonvold if h was acknledgg heid brdork as aesulf h iolvent belf o ba's invement shaon'bri who ran against mitt romney. thank you for your insight and helping us figure this out tonight. this rabbit hole is y deeper and we're going to keeping. but you held us fureut me o. ne qckrogrming no. one mit mney fmer partrst bains going to be chris hayes' guest tomorrow. that's going to be really good. u shld wch at. ou'r notoingo bep thearl dvr it. ok. >>ots illead cludg a pcor wthy spy mie endg to ts sh tonight. please stay with us. of green cot is now in our new starbucks refreshers™ -- a breakthrough in natural energy. made with real fruit, tarbucks refreshers™are elicus l calie dnks u cafeelgooabo. ♪ rethk hoyou -eneize ♪ get a boost of natural energy with a new starbucks refreshers™, three re-energizing way trone us, ly astarcks. three re-energizing way ♪hat arteas ahisp evy da milons peoe ooseo doh. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your poli? 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but kings and queens? no, nexclaarifatio he misske. didtome iaydrming ke abann. iturnsut h fanstic secreetisithings and queens is something he talks about a lot, which the massachusetts democratic party had made tape of and which they preedi togleellleas to t inteebsomple wh soun tck fmab. >> meetings with kings and queens. world leaders and business aders, kgsnd quee. fro the kin a eens >> i y thohthathe humiatioof seeg yr humilitatingself would be enough to deteryou from further embarrassing exaggeration on the campaign trail,ou'r n stt own. don't rget thi i alshe guwhoaide s the phos ofead ama n lan. >> he tn thepiure, he' defitelyead,nd ifhere an conspiracyheories out there, you should put them to rest, okay? >> no, scott brown, no. you d n see a picturef adin den. u sa the samoax picre on th inteet eryonsaw, onl u tughtt was al, aou to evebodyt waseal so u wld seem important, a big important senator that gets shown big important things regular people don't geto see. his aff had toclify tha as ll. w he got new on >> can nam aitan o mocricnsor bills that never would have passed if it wasn't for me. the president had called me and the vice president calls mend secretary clinton calls aing r myotell the time >>yhone wil jusot sp ringg. llaris clingnd calng d callg. th evitle clarification coming by way of the boston globe today, quoting the globe in reality, senator blown's staff saide has spony oneith hilry cnton jt twe inis wle sate reer most rectly er yr agon juth, 2011. the other in december 2010. >> senator clinton calls asking for myote all the time. by all the ti, he mea twe ev. theast tim morhan yea ag and en heays t vic presentallshienat brows stf now clarifying what he actually means is he had a phone call, one with the vice present, and that was a year ana half ago. esul prumab, sct brn dinot arifthesremas hielf becae h wn a ver portt seet meeng wh kingand qensooki at bin laden pictures he found on the internethat he swears are real. >ecau is fday and we veyo he's ur rl le spy stor if youre wchinn a podcast, now is a good time to hit pause and get popcorn or near beer or whateve area come ba. beuse is inu. ady? 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we'll visit great britain, taiwan and switzerland to find out what those nations are doing right and they're doing wrong. we'll show you some really interesting innovation going on back here in america. in one of the most poorest, crime-ridden cities in the nation. but, first, let's talk about the one thing americans are certain is bad. government-run health departmentcare. across the atlantic in great brain t britain, is the nation's health service a devil, as some say? let's take a look. >>> during america's debate over health care reform, britain said the system was bureaucracy to those in need. were they right? britain does have a system that is close to socialized medicine as any rich country gets. the government pays for everything, owns most of the hospitals and pays most of the doctors. compared to americans, the brits have longer life tiles and a health care system that consistently ranks higher on every measure. all of this, and everyone's care is covered. no pamts to doctors, no co-pays, no fees, nothing. at king's college hospital in london, drmt nigel heaton performs a liver transplant surgery with a donor. the liver is cut in half with one part for the younger brother and the other part staying in the donor. >> the liver is a remarkable organ. you can take pieces of the liver and it will function perfectly well. >> this transplant costs 10s of thousands of dollars. but the patient doesn't pay a thing. >> when pashltients come to us, only evaluate them as if they need a transplant. the cost doesn't come into play. >> nobody pays a doctor's bill in the nhs. people will go their entire life without paying a single up front cross. >> dr. claire is the chair of britain's royal college of general practitioners. >> our health service is fair. irrespective of what you can afford, you will be able to access health care. that is what we require. that is what is a fair and honest health system. >> compare that to the u.s. where an estimated 137,000 people died over seven years because they were uninsured. of course, the brits do pay for their health care in another way. with taxes. the sales tax is a whopping 20%. and income taxes are as high as 50%. all of that money feeds a health care bohemoth with well over one million people on the payroll. you would think it would be inefficient. >> that seems sensible, right? the private sector can do things more efficiently? it doesn't work in health care. t.r. reed toured the world's health care systems for his recent book, "the healing of america". the least efficient payers in the world of the insurance payers. it's a 30% tax on every dollar you spend on health care. britain is totally socialized medicine. 5%. canada is private doctors and public payers, 6%. so it turns out, in health care, governments are doing this more efficiently than our private sector. >> one reason, private insurers in america spend more money on private costs like ads and reviewing claims to help them stay profitable. another way governments can be more e fisfficient is by having more coordinated approach to health care. for instance, the nhs rewards primary care doctors with bonuses for achieving certain measures of good health. like getti inting patients to q smoking. that's money well spent because fewer sick people means lower health care costs for the whole country. in the united states, we spend around $8500. >> what about the argument that the only way to make the system work -- the only way to get costs under control is to be -- you've got to be a little cruel. you've got to say we will pay for this and we won't pay for that. >> oh, that's absolutely true. the british health minister said to me we cover everybody. but we don't cover every thing. >> not covering everything. the so called rationing of care is the british system's most controversial element. >> we do find ourselves up against everybody. it's a real challenge. >> andrew dillen is the chief executive for clinical excellence known as "nice" for short. >> this isn't about politics. it's not about money. it's about the evidence for what works best. the clinical studies and the other research that's done in this country and across the worlt. >> it includes doctors and patients. and the decision-making process is transparent. the public can weigh in. but the policy's nice vendors involve some of the most moralizing medicine. like whetherer to fund a cancer drug. >> in the end, there's nothing else in life like facing det. we have to be sensitive to that. but equally, we need to make sure that we're keeping your eyes on everything else. that we need the nhs to do for us. >> i've got monday, the 20th. >> another controversial aspect? long wait times for certain procedures. in the early '90s, you could wait more than a year. the nhs rule book regulates that. britain's government-run system provides good care for all and is more cost effective than one might imagine. so is there a way to provide care for all with less government? when we come back, we'll visit a country that went from almost half of its population from being uninsured to nearly full coverage in less than a year and without breaking the bank. has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done. we're still committed to seeing this through. here at the hutchison household. but one dark stormy evening... there were two things i could tell: she needed a good meal and a good family. so we gave her what our other cats love, purina cat chow complete. it's the best because it has something for all of our cats! and after a couple of weeks she was healthy, happy, and definitely part of the family. we're so lucky that lucy picked us. 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will we have to pay for treatment of obese people? will we have to pay for abortion? >> swit switzerland is not your typical european welfare state. it's extremely business-friendly and always gone its own weight in health care with private providers and private insurance. that's actually not so rare according to journalist t.r. reed. >> one of the things that m americans believe about health care around the world is that other rich countries in the world all have socialized medicine s. that true? >> no, that's bologna. some countries to have the care and provide it. but a lot of rich germany, switzerland, japan, cover everybody in the private system. private hospitals, private docs, priva p . >> so the swiss were getting fed up with their private insurance system in the early 1990s. costs were rising. premiums were disproportionately higher and those with preexisting conditions had trouble getting coverage. son-in-law were foregoing insurance all together. >> the people were flying out of the insurance so we had to stop this. >> dryfues pushed for a law that required everyone to buy insurance. to give subsidies to the poor and stop insurance companies from rejecting people for their medical history. sound familiar? that's exactly what president obama's law would do. but in switzerland, it was an uphill battle. the law passed government with 52% of the vote. >> nobody was really happy but everybody could accept. >> so how is the swiss version of president obama's law fair? almost 20 years after it was put in place. >> i'll show you the x-rays. >> reporter: the swiss enjoy one of the longest life expectancies in the world. >> we have an extremely comfortable system. i mean, the access is easy. you don't have to wait. >> donald was the swiss secretary of health from 1991 to 2009. >> hospitals have become more like five-star hotels offering health departmentcare. . >> reporter: insurance companies were already banned from making a profit on bay e basic health coverage. under the new law, they had to expand that basic package. covering even more procedures. >> even very expensive pharmaceuticals are paid by the insurance plans and have to be paid. >> reporter: the swiss system is world-renowned for the choice it provides its users. >> i chose the doctor i wanted to go to. i went there and it was seemless. >> we caught unwith jocelyn mills. she was expecting at the time. she could go see a specialist right away without waitiing for a referral from her physician like in the u.s. >> i always waited three hours in an over-crowded waiting room to see somebody than to see a specialist, if anything was wrong. so i don't have that here. >> another bonus? health insurance isn't linked to employment. plus, you can change your insurer every year if you want. >> the choice is such that is sometimes confusing. you know, you're having each time you're living a choice of probably a hundred or two plans. >> experts worry that the swiss don't reap the cost savings from their insurance choices because there are so many of them. that might explain why health care costs in switzerland are still very high. 11% of gdp. >> you can no make it perfect. but you can make a perfectible law. and i would say any law has negative side effects. and this is ourless soon. we are still working to make this law better. >> health departmentcare costs are rising all over the world. but in the united states, health care is almost twice as expensive as everywhere else. why is that? we'll explore that question next. but they can be really well thexpensive.ted a puppy, so to save money i just found them a possum. dad, i think he's dead. probably just playin' possum. sfx: possum hisses there he is. there's an easier way to save. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. about how older people are becoming more and more antisocial, so i was really aggressive with my parents about joining facebook. my parents are up to 19 friends now? 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"how american health care killed my father." he says if patients spent more of their own money, prices would come down. >> the whole idea of using insurance to pay for health care is wrochk. >> the problem with insurance is that it's very costly. it's a very costly way to finance anything. it's never used outside of health care. i think if you look at the health care system, what you see is a system that lacks any of the normal disciplines we see in anything else. >> so give me an example of some place where you find market sources can actually work the way you're describing? >> well, you know, around the fringes of health care, we have things that look like health care that aren't in the health care economy. they're not insured. we see it in certain types of cosmetic dental surgery. we see it in medicine for pets. and what we see in all of those markets are urkt markets. >> take lasik eye surgery. prices have dropped considerably despite all of the expensive equipment and well-trained specialists. lasik doctors compete for your business. >> ask a very simple question of your viewers. how many of them know the safest hospital? why is there nobody with a billboard saying don't go to downtown, go to uptown. downtown will kill you. we've been through 45 years of this and look at the result. >> goldhill's solution? insurance should only cover catastrophic events, serious elnesses. while routine care, like doctor's appointments should be paid for by a health savings account that everyone controls. >> we have to care about the cost because what we're doing in medicine is destroying the american dream. >> a surgeon, a staff writer for the new yorker and the author of several best-selling books on medicine. hep agrees with goldhill that the market in health care isn't working. but he says there's an important factor to consider. >> the sick acount for most of the costs. 5% of the patients are 50% of the costs. and these are folks for whom the bills are 40 and $50,000. figuring out how to treat the sickest of the sick is the trillion dollar question. >> the average patient who is elderly and on medicare has more than 10 specialist physicians by their last year of their life. and if you've ever taken care of an elderly parent, you know how much you want to tear your hair out. that they just woent tan't talk each other. >> what the government needs is a more coordinated approach to care. some doctors tend to prescribe too much medicine. that's less efficient. but it is more profitable. >> we have focused on getting the best drugs, the best devices, the best special iszs. we think very little about how we fit it together vmt. >> what is wrong with prescribing lots of procedures? i think americans think of this as a case of surely more is better. why not have more m.r.i.s? >> yeah, more at the right time is better. but we're doing 70 million ct scans in the population of 300 million people. doing more of these kinds of tests end up raising maybe there's a spot there, maybe there's not, that lead to more surgery and more risks. >> a more coordinated approach to care may reduce needless testing and lower costs. president obama's health care law encourages more coordination, giving funding to providers to come up with more efficient and effective ways to provide care. >> the concentration on the 5% of pashlts w of patients is unleashing enormous innovations, enormous reductions and costs. i think woe're about to enter a period of very rapid change. >> when we come back, we'll show you a bold example of change. a health care experiment in one of the roughest cities in the country. and it's working. rint direct co. so i can get three times the coverage. 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and he said we didn't want to dislodge the bullet. which was a complete blow off and just showed such lack of compassion and lack of concern for a dignity of people's lives. >> it was a remarkable product of camden. a senior at rutgers university who had talked about being mayor. his death reformed the camden police department. but he says it was mired and dysfunctioned. >> i threw my hands up and said i give up on helping to reform the police department in camden. but i think i can take a lot of the ideas that i learned in the process and bring them to health care. >> brenna had been mapping crime data to locate the city's most violent corners just like the new york city police department did in the '90s producing great success. he started identifying hot spots where the costs were the highest. using medical billing records, brenner found that just 1% of the patients accounted for 30% of health care costs in camden. and that's not all he discovered about the city's three hospitals. >> we learned that someone went 113 times in one year, someone went 325 times in five years. they found someone who went 450 times in one year. >> these were people with cor complicated medical illnesses. one patient alone racked up $3.5 million. >> no one is being paid and incentivized to pay attention to them. >> what's more? camden's problem is america's problem. gist 5% of americans accounted for half of our nation's health care costs in 2009. this is perhaps the crucial statistic to understand. if brenner could crack his city's cost crisis, maybe his model could help the country. >> we've met with his primary care doc. >> he founded the camden coalition of health care providers. they treat the city's worst of the worst one patient at a time. >> every day the group gets data from all of the city's emergency rooms in realtime. that's the fwiirst time this ha ever happened anywhere in america. jason, a former teacher and registered nurse is making a house call. she was admitted to the hospital algt times last year mostly for respiratory distress. she literally has a bucket full of medication. >> jason and his colleagues got a ventilator placed in her heart. >> she saw her pulmonariologist. you look great. >> l yurks dia has staid out of the e.r. for 70 days and counting. but the sick are hard to reach. some don't have phones. so jason and his team do routine drive byes. >> jason from the coalition. how are you doing? >> okay. >> earl is one of the biggest e.r. use rs in camden. he suffers from ep lilepsy and heart failure. >> the three amigioes. that's the team he uses to describe the team that visited him earlier in the day. despite the long odds, earl's hospitalizations have decreased by 30%. brener found that many expensive patients like earl were concentrated in certain areas of the city. one building alone. a subsidized apartment tower accounted for $12 million in hospital costs over 5 years. >> and the patients were appa appalled that someone made that much money and they still felt so sick and it was so hard for them to access services. >> so brenner set up a clinic right in the building so that the residents can get preventive care. >> this is not a story of bad patients. it's a story of a broken system that has irrational incentives and misaligned incentives so that patients aren't getting their needs met. >> brenner suggests that early evidence suggests his experiment is working. hospital use is down for participating pashlts. his model is being replicated to new jersey and newark. it was signed last august by governor chris christie. >> we're rewarded pr e for doing the right thing. >> now, here's the problem. it ee's essentially taking away business from hospitalings and doctors. that threatens the profits of the most of the established players in health care. when we speak of reducing health care costs, remember, fur many powerful interests, that translates into taking away my business. but if brenner succeeds. >> it would make the rest of the country look silly. it really shows that this is not a technical probable, but it's a political, spiritual and moral problem. >> wen we come back, i'll give you my thoughts on the health care debate. stay with us. until i got a job in the big apple. adjusting to city life was hard for me. and becoming a fulltime indoor cat wasn't easy for atti. but we had each other and he had purina cat chow indoor. he absolutely loved it. and i knew he was getting everything he needed to stay healthy indoors. and after a couple of weeks, i knew we were finally home! 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american health care? i'm reminded of the old irish joke. a couple is lost in the irish country side and stops to ask a local the best way to get to dublin. well, i wouldn't start from here, he replies. america's health care system is really a mess. it is partly free enterprise, partly state subsidized and overall, highly inefficient in delivering quality care at a reasonable price. let me step back before making specific suggestions and outline a few general principles. i am a big fan of the free mark. i think it has an almost magical aebl ability to allocate resources. but because it is so powerful, in places where it doesn't work well, it can cause huge distortions. the nobel prize-winning economist kenneth arrow outlined in the 1960s why markets don't work really well when it comes to health care. he explained people don't know when they will need health care. and that when they do need it, the cost is often prohibitive. that means you need some kind of insurance or a government-run system. now, if we decided as a society that it is okay that when people suddenly discovered they needed health care they can get it if they pay for it, that would work. but it would mean that the vast majority of americans wouldn't be able to pay for that triple bypass or hip replacement. the market would work just as it works for bmw cars. people who can afford it, get it. people who can't. don't. but every rich country in the world and many not so rich ones have decided that all citizens should have access to basic health care. and given that, a pure free market model simply can't work. and, remember, even if one were to have only a catastrophic insurance model, that's where all the costs were. just 5% of the patients in the united states account for 50% of health care costs. and taking care of these catastrophic illnesses is what drives america's costs up. now a general insurance system can only work if everyone is insured. that's what the swiss and the taiw taiwanese found out. otherwise, only people who are sick will want to buy insurance. that's why the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank came up with the idea of the individual mandate, requiring that people buy health insurance in exactly the same way that people are required to buy car insurance. that's why mitt romney chose this model as a market-friendly system for massachusetts when he was governor. and that's praised the model. the obama health care bill now upheld by the supreme court expands access to 30 million americans. that's good economics. and it eegs also the right thing to do. but it does little in the way of controlling costs. there are several pie lat programs in it. there are new trends emerging. but little in the way of systemic cost controls. every expert realizes that no matter what the system of health, you need to have some kind of board that decides what's coverend and what's not. now, this has been demagogue as death panels. it's really the only sensible way to make the system work. no one is saying that you can't get any medical procedure you want. peerly that there are some that your insurance won't pay for. the other unusual aspect of health care, kenneth arrow points out, is that buyers don't have much knowledge or power. you can decide that you don't want a new car. you can comparison shop for a tv. but you can't dtz that you don't want a heart bypass. that's why surgeries have come down in areas like in lasik surgery, but not in ones where the consumer knt walk away. a final thought, one can reason from most principles. and that's a good thing. but you must alsz reason from facts on the ground. and the facts are that all rich countries try to provide affordable health care in some way or the other. all of them, including free market havens like taiwan have found that they need to use an insurance or government-sponsored model. all of them provide universal health care at much, much lower costs. may believe there is a theoretical free model out there that would work perfectly. right now, in the world we are actually living in, some kind of mixed, messy health care system is what we have. and our task is really not to abolish it, but to improve it so that americans can get good care at reasonable prices like so much of the rest of the world. thanks for tuning in to this "gps" special. you can read more in "time magazi magazine" and you can always catch my shows. international viewers cogo to our web site for air times. >>> tonight, a man who changed television forever. >> this new service will be c l called a cable news network. >> ted turner has never been shy about speaking his mind. tonight, he tells all. >> the moneyed interests are taking over the country. >> now, for the south. >> i lost my fortune, most of it. i have a billion or two left: you can get by on that if you economize. >> and a man whose ex-wife says this about it. i'm so proud of him. he's done so much good work in the world. >> 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>> harris: oh, i'm harris falkner, shepard smith, for fox report weekdays, don't miss an episode. and for now huckabee, have a great week everybody. >> tonight on huckabee. >> you didn't build that. >> jeb bush says the president should be encouraging innovation. >> you can't have a president that's always kind of looking down and saying that the entrepreneurs are really not that relevant. the next president needs to lead. >> and gives his take on current governors under attack for keeping their campaign promises. >> i admire what rick scott is doing in florida and scott walker went into a storm and came out stronger. >> the former florida governor in a huckabee exclusive. plus, politics that go beyond dirty. >> taliban dan webster hands off. >> twisting candidates' words and going after families and police. >> when the opponent was coming after tim, and each other, we went, whoa, what have we gotten ourselves into. >> congressman dan webster and jim ryan and their wives and how they dealt with the attacks. ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [applaus [applause] >> thank you. thank you very much. and welcome to huckabee for the fox news studios in new york city. president obama appears to be willing to play chicken with congress because he is determined to raise taxes on the people that he's decided are just too stinking rich. well, the trouble is, even "the washington post," hardly a conservative tool, and fed chairman ben bernanke, who was reappointed by obama was warning of the consequences of what's being accurately termed tax-mageddon. the expiration of the so-called bush tax cuts and effectively huge tax increase associated with obamacare. it's all going to arrive on december 31st, 2012. and if congress doesn't act, tax-mageddon may not adequately describe what's going to be nothing short of an economic apocalypse. the tax increase is almost 500 billion dollars per year in new taxes. now, that's by far the largest and most encompassing tax hike in our nation's history. while the president pretends to be protecting the middle class, the fact is the majority of tax increases won't hit obama's despised wealthy class, but in fact, hit 60% of americans who actually got the biggest tax cuts from the bush tax plan. for example, on average, baby boomers are going to see their taxes go up over $4200 per year. and low income families are going to have a gut punch increase of over $1200 per year. and millennials will have a pop. and president obama's failed policy left us in debt. staggering 8.2% unemployment rate and businesses living off life support, not addressing the concerns, about acompassion anchor instead of a life preserver to a man caught in a riptide. the obama tax increase set to hit january 1 are far more ominous, from the impact of the y2k moment in january of 2000. we're not sure, weren't sure what happens at midnight and we did all we could to prepare for it. i can recall being at the capital with the heads of agencies and troops and guards in case of a worst case scenario. once the clock turned and communications and utilities and banking worked. we wished each other a happy new year and called it a day, albeit it long one. if president obama continues on the way for tax-mageddon, we may be kissing our back sides bye-bye. of course, president obama will say the republicans ought to just cave-in and just let's bust the rich people with taxes, that doesn't make any sense. the president's plan to raise taxes on the evil rich, if that happens, there's going to be all of an enough money for that to run the government for about eight days. but enough damage done in small business owners to result in a lot of people getting laid off. if you really want president obama to keep his job, you need to be prepared to lose yours. if you want to keep your job, you better hope he loses his. [applaus [applause] >> well, the president is on the campaign trail talking about how successful business owners ought to be thanking the government for paving their way to success, some of our brightest behinds say that spending programs c that-- some of the brightest minds say the 4% solution, i spoke with former florida governor jeb bush earlier. jeb great to see you. >> thank you, governor, a joy to be with you. >> mike: when i see these governors, they run on the campaigns of reform, changing things, cutting the spending, getting the budget under control, that's what they say they're going to do. they get in office be and then everybody beats the bay lights out of them because they actually kept their campaign promise. guys like scott walker in wisconsin, and rick scott in florida. so, what are we to make of the fact that the people not want them to fulfill their promises? >> i think they do. i think that you earn people's respect over the long haul. if a lot of people in politics will want to be popular rather than do what's right and that's not sustainable over the long haul. so, i admire what rick scott is doing in florida and scott walker, went into firestorm and came out stronger, i think, because of it. people want people that are genuine, they want people that are standard concerned and they want leaders and people to layout an agenda and execute on that agenda with passion and conviction. >> i think a lot of people don't understand that at the state level, the budget does have to balance and like the feds who can just keep borrowing money and putting it off. so, let's talk about some of the specific challenges some of these guys have when they get into office. what are the challenges you face when you're in florida? >> well, that era of declining revenue and you've got a burgeoning medicaid budget, in order to spend money on your priorities, you have to figure out new ways to provide public service, so, in case of rick scott, he's cut, he's cut spending dramatically, but he said he was going to do it. so no one should be surprised by it. and it will free up moneys for k-12 education, billion dollars of extra spending this last year. and as the economy grows, because florida's business climate is pretty good, we'll do well. the states like michigan daniels in indiana, that made these structural changes are going to end up growing fasterment there's a lot of competition, as you know, in the states and the winners are the ones that create the optimum business climate which typically mean less government, too. >> mike: a lot of people assume at the state level that you can make massive cuts, but you're obligated with mandates, usually medicaid, and you don't have a lot of wiggle room. any cuts you make probably going to hurt somebody. >> absolutely, but again, if you look at state governments unlike washington, there have been dramatic reductions, some of which were because you reformed things and made things better, you can do things, spend less and achieve a better result. but, with the balanced budget requirement, imagine what it would be like in washington if they had one. if people would be freaking out, i guess, i don't know what they would do. because they're not used to it, but it does provide, it creates a tension that yields an about thor result. and this is not a republican or democratic issue either. the democratic governors balance the budget as well and may have a different approach, but that is what's missing in washington. there's no consequence to the fiscal policy that's actually putting a lid on the nation's economy. >> mike: there's such a polarized atmosphere all over the country and certainly in washington and even in state legislators. we saw this with scott walker, what he faced, disappeared, went-- left the state for heaven's sake. you governed for eight years, you had, you know, a lot of republicans, but there were democrats that fought you along the way. let's talk about what are the keys to getting things to work when not everybody wants them to work for your benefit? >> all right, one of the things that i did that made my republican colleagues a little upset. i was an equal opportunity vetoer. so we created instead of criteria, this is what the-- this will get through the budget, you know, the line item veto, if you do it this way it will be fine. if you do it another way, it won't be and i didn't reward friends and i think that made it a little easier to talk to democrats, but we had fights, i mean, look, you know, if you're a conservative and you're advocating things that go against the wishes of liberals, liberals don't always sign up. and we, but it was a respectful fight. it seems like today in washington, the at least, the lack of civility means having a dialog impossible. >> mike: is it possible to get to a place where washington is governable? >> yes, i hope and pray because imagine, imagine this disturning continuing over the long haul. i think it requires presidential leadership and president obama, the best example would have been he passed simpson and bowles to put together a set of recommendations, and they did far better than what most people expected. it was a bold set of ideas, and the president has not even mentioned the word simpson with bowles and commission in the senate and he's totally ignored it. he made the decision that he had a the better chance of getting reelected in a closer election by dividing the country than trying to aspire to a different way of doing things, what a shame. what a missed opportunity. and so, the next president needs to lead. and that means that you have to, particularly with the rules in the senate. you have to garner 60 votes which means you have to bring people along, you can't just win the debate and talking point. >> we're going to continue with jeb bush and i'll talk to him about the 4% solution, what does it mean and how will it help us to grow our economy? 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>> means if we could grow our economy in real terms at 4% per year, over a sustained period of time, that we could begin to solve these, what appear to be intractable problems. if we don't grow at that rate. then i think there are going to be a lot of the shattered dreams in in country. we have to grow far faster than what obama economics is bringing us and we can do that with a set of policies and this book is about this, really brilliant people are writing chapters on a variety of different policy areas that combined could create the chance that we could achieve an aspirational goal of 4% per year over a decade of time. >> mike: and we've never really sustained that level of growth. so we're talking about we'll have to do something differently to get that kind of result, but what are the the things we've got to do to make that work? >> we'd have to have fiscal reform. entitlement reform, government can't the be consuming 25% of gdp and expect any kind of high growth solution. we need a patriotic energy policy based on american ingenuity, american innovation and north american resources. we need to bring 21st century solutions to the rule making process. it is perhaps the greatest cloud of uncertainty is just this maddening set of rules that are confusing for people and burdensome. we need to transform our education policy. i happen to think that immigration policy, to bring aspirational young energetic people would help sustain growth. and so, it's a series of things and this book has 22 chapters that deal with each one of these areas. entrepreneurship, you know, you can't have a president that's always kind of looking down and saying that the entrepreneurs are really not that relevant. i mean, in america, they're really relevant. without them we would be nothing. >> mike: you mentioned immigration, which is one of the most divisive issues that we've had in this country, divided the republican party, divides democrats versus republicans and sometimes divides families. what are some practical, sensible, doable ways to deal with the immigration issue that really welcomes people, but doesn't make them feel like there's some blanket amnesty going on? >> well, control the border, which we've been fighting this fight as though we were ten years ago. the border actually -- there's been a lot of effort to control the border, that's part of it. a guest worker program that doesn't say to people that you can stay forever, but for seasonal workers and for jobs that are based on demands of our economy, where you can't find workers here, that would be part of it. giving a visa to anybody that graduates from one of our universities, is just absurd, that we send them back to create wealth and prosperity in their countries if they want to stay here. >> mike: that's one of the things i want to interrupt and one of the things you talk about in the book is that there really does need to be a policy for the best and brightest, the brains. >> oh, yeah. >> mike: that we export brains when we ought to be importing brains. >> and then i would argue that, with our changing demographics, we're all hopefully ten years from now you and i will be ten years older. >> mike: i hope so, the u alternative is not fine. >> and we need to bring young people to bring to our economy and rebuild the pyramid, that has to happen through immigration. a total revamping of immigration to protect the rule of law and recognize this is a catalytic converter, a key element to this. you can't grow to 4% if your population grows at 1. >> mike: education, you spent an enormous time as governor, you received national accolades. where does education fit into a 4% solution and a lot of people say, that's not really connected to growing the economy. it might not be for next month or next year, but it is essential for the long haul. when a third of our young people graduate after we spend more per student than any country in the world, a third of college and/or career ready, that's not going to cut it in a world where knowledge is the driver of higher income. if we began, if we moved to the international average, we could create hundreds of billions of extra economic activity and there's a chapter in the book that describes exactly why that is. and from that then creates this, you know, if you grow the economy, air going to drain more revenue for department of the than raising taxes, in fact, raising taxes, a legit the mat case could be made you'll see lower revenue over the long haul and that's a much better approach. my personal believe is a hydro strategies does something important which is lifts our spirits. i don't know about you, mike, i'm so tired of the gloominess of what used to be the most optimistic country in the world and if we could lift people's spirits by showing the way to greater opportunity for more people, that has benefits that go beyond just the kind of nerdy economic data. >> well, i'm hearing a lot of talk that some people say we've got to raise taxes and others cut spending. to be honest with you, jeb, i'm not hearing democrats or republicans talking about growth, this is a very different topic, it's not saying raise taxes, cut spending. raise taxes, cut spending. air saying those are secondary. let's grow the economy. where do you break through to political leaders and get them to understand that's the prescription? >> i happen to think that it's winning political agendas. you're running for office and you say follow me, i am promise you 1% growth which means no job creation, that's a -- that's not a winning argument. if you have a substantive agenda that says you can grow over the long haul, over sustained period of time at a growth rate that's above our historical averages, that creates trillions of dollars of economic activity over the long haul. and it creates real opportunity. i think it's a winning political message so long as it's backed up with enough facts and it's not just polly anna-ish. which is why the book offers a blueprint. you've got five nobody laure laureates. and my hope is that mitt romney does it. >> and thanks, jeb for talking about a whole different approach to get the economy back. goth blesz. >> two experts who contributed to the book, the 4% solution, telling us to boost the economy, we have to do what calvin coolidge did. do you know what he did? that's why you'll be back with us. to being a different kind of communications company. ♪ we link people and fortune 500 companies nationwide and around the world. and we will continue to free you to do more and focus on what matters. you know how hard if yit can be to breathedo, and what that feels like. copd iludes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open a full 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that does both. and it's steroid-free spiriva does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell yr doctor if you have kidy problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you ta, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if yr breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing ure. other side effects include dry mouth and constipation. nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. does breathing with copd weigh you down? ask your doctor if spiriva can help. >> the >> the folks at the george w. bush institute have written a new book with new ways to help bring long-term economic growth to america. the book is called "the 4% solution" with me are two economic minds who contributed to the books, jeff glassman at the bush institute and the director of the 4% growth project. when i teased the segment before, i mentioned calvin coolidge. and i bet there's not one in 100,000 americans thatan name you one thing that calvin coolidge ever did. why would we invoke calvin coolidge in a discussion of economic growth? >> he has very strong growth. over 3%, sometimes close to 4% and the other reason that would be relevant today, know about coolidge, when he left the presidential office, the federal government budget was lower than when he came in. not many presidents nominal, real, any-- but his small government made the economy grow. and that was the story of the 1920's and remember, what he didn't dos, made the country great the way-- >> let's talk about the fundamentals to get to 4%. how do we practically make that happen because it sounds great, but making it happen, that's a real challenge. >> right, the basic idea is that the government needs to promote policies that allow private enterprise to thrive. as simple as that and those policies are quite broad. they range from tax reform to spending cuts, like calvin coolidge and i think it's an important point. a lot of people are saying, we need to spend more in order to grow. it doesn't really work that way. you may get some empty calories, a little bit of growth from the storm, but it's long-term to cut government spending in order to grow to allow the private sector to thrive. education, energy policy. tremendous report. if we could exploit and develop the energy that we have, which is more, more, we have more resources than any other country in the world. we would grow very fast. >> put it m this context, our growth right now 1.5%. that basically means we are all, but on life support as an economy. would that be a fair assessment? >> yeah, it basically means that we're not creating new jobs. we are just kind of stagnating, which is pretty much what europe has been doing over the last ten years. our average growth, historicall has been about 3%, we think we could get to 4. >> 4 would be revolutionary to get there and it would almost be like if you have a savings account. the difference between a compounded savings account and how fast that can grow versus if you just have a little savings account and you don't earn anything from it. >> talking about the debt, if you grew at 4% for ten years, you get rid of one quarter of the debt or 4 trillion dollars. what else is nice about the data, fascinating education data. if our math and science scores were as good as germany we would grow a half a percentage point a year and governor bush was talking about that. sohis is possible, this iere is evidence from other states. >> mike: we hear about tax-mageddon, it's going to hit us in the face the first of the year unless congress acts. not getting possibility of growth out of the way? >> right, raising tax rates, not just personal tax rates, but also taxes on capital gains, on dividends which will go way up from 15% up into the 40's for many people. that would have a devastating effect on growth. yes, we need to make changes now. we can't just sit back and expect to get the 4% growth or even get beyond 2%. >> mike: jim and really, a pleasure to have you on today. and hope that folks will find out why the 4% solution is an alternative and option rather than figure out to raise your taxes that would probably do more to devastate our economy than to improve it. why are christians running for political office attacked for their strong beliefs? what it puts their families through. we'll talk to dan webster and jim ryan when we return. nana nana send money to anyone's checking account with chase quickpay. all you need is an email address or mobile number. you're welcome. take a step forward and chase what matters. his morning starts with arthritis pain. and two pills. afternoon's overhaul starts with more pain. more pills. triple checking hydraulics. the evening brgs more pain. so, back to more pills. almost done, when... hang on. stan's doctor recommended aleve. it can keep pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rudy. who switched to aleve. and two pills for a day free of pain. ♪ [ female announcer ] and try aleve for relief from tough headaches. >> live from america's news headquarters, i'm harris falkner in new york. governor romney is speaking in israel today speaking on that country's right to defend itself. the republican nominee, measured america's moral duties to keep iran from getting weapons. and the limit picks mr. romney was at already and then on to poland. president obama has not visited israel since taking office and he did go through during his 2008 campaign. in the latest now on the colorado theater massacre, we're learning there were no security guards on the night it happened even though the company that owned the theat theater-- james holmes is scheduled to appear in a courtroom, to be charged in the massacre that left 12 dead, 58 wounded. i'm harris falkner, now, let's get you back to huckabee. [applaus [applause] >> i've long said that candidates that run for public office open themselves up for public scrutiny and that's fair and i've said that their families ought to be left out of it. as much as i disagree with president obama's policies, i do believe the first lady and their two daughters shunting dragged into the political mud slinging. in our audience, are sandy webster and ann ryan, married to a current and former congressman who have been the target of some vicious attacks that have gone after their husbands and their family's christian values. now, you may remember this ad for florida democrat alan grayson before he lost his congressional seat in 2010. >> and fanatics try to take away our freedoms in afghanistan and iraq and right here in central florida. daniel webster wants to impose the radical fundamentalism on oust. >> she should submit to me that's in the bible. >> webster tried to deny battered women medical care and the right to divorce their abusers. >> submit to men. >> they want the woman raped forced to have the child and our bodies and our lives. >> wow, that ad took republican dan webster's words totally out of context, but didn't work for alan grayson who lost to webster. 14 years earlier, jim ryan and his wife were attacked by his opponent how they raise their children. former congressman dan webster and former congressman jim ryan join me now. it's good to have you here. [applause] >> i remember talking about this ad when were you running, it was one of the most disgraceful disgusting abuses of advertising i've ever seen and in fact, i want to play the full context of what you you said so our audience can remember that it was the opposite of what was intended. let's see. >> i have a verse for my wife, i have verses for my wife don't pick the ones that say she should submit to me. that's know the bible, but pick the one that you're supposed to do. so, instead, love your wife (laughter) >> i mean, the whole point was to say don't pick those verses about what she should do, but i have to pick the ones which i would do, love your wife as christ loved the church. i've never seen more blatant example of a twisted ad. when you first saw the taliban dan ad. what was your reaction to that. >> well, i have a not said what was there, but i am neat sure how i was going to prove it. i didn't have a copy of the video i knew it was wrong and i'd never said that before. but it all worked out. >> mike: and jim, when were you running back in 19 91996, y had an opponent that took words from a christian article in which you were talking about dating and courtship. and put it on the screen and i don't find anything objectionable or controversial about it and we talk to with our own children. courtship can mean different things in different circles, in our family if a young man wants to date one of our daughters he contacts the father and the mother can take the role in the families where the father is not available. that sounds pretty dog gone good we asked my daughter to do the same thing, that she didn't just go out until dad checked him out and yet, you were accused of what, trying to manipulate your children? >> trying to manipulate our children, and doing all sorts of things, when in reality what we're trying to do is what we're doing is preparing for them, and in the process, what you're doing allowing questions and how will you handle children and what kind of a debt issue do you have, and a practical question if this leads to marriage at least you're setting the table the right way from the beginning. >> mike: during my tenure as governor, people would take comments i'd make in one case to the southern baptist convention, a pretty open meeting, it wasn't like a secret handshake would get you in. and took those, words that are appropriate in the context of a christian church or christian denomination, lifted out of context and put on the front page of the new york times makes it look like you said something bizarre. do you feel that particularly christian messages are utterly misinterpreted by secular reporters and political opponents? >> well, i think in my case, certainly what i had said and what was said interpreted was two different things and i believe though, in my mind, the key to all of this is that people are not necessarily concerned what happens to me or what was said about me, more importantly, how i respond to what's said. that's the key. people watch more about how we respond than they do, maybe about than other people how they respond. >> jim, it does make people think, would i want it run for office given the attacks on the family? >> it does, when my wife and children, again they were portraying them at something strange, they didn't do drugs, hadn't slept around and those kinds of things that you as a father and family want to portray and got to the point they were accusing me of being abusive to women and failed it mention my campaign manager was a woman and you need to dig deeper and find out what really happens. >> mike: how did they possibly come up with that you were abusive? >> not giving them an opportunity to have their own personality and in a few moments we'll disspell that when you meet my wife, the personification of personality, warmth and love and as first lady of the second district as people got to know her look at some the ads, wow, that's not what they said were you going to be. in reality she wasn't what they portrayed her as. >> when we come back we'll bring on the wives of the two congressman and how they felt about the attacks on their husbands and families and on them as well. we'll be right back. all just $14.99. come into red lobster and sea food differentl visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon. good through august 5th it's not for colds, it's not for pain, it's just for sleep. because sleep is a beautiful thing. ♪ zzzquil, the non-habit forming sleep-aid from the makers of nyquil. 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[applause] (applause) >> joining us now is congressman webster's wife sandy and congressman ryun's wife ann and i'm going to start with you, the first time you saw the ad taliban dan, what did you think. >> dan is known in the community as one who served and worked hard and is so honest and is a man of integrity, but this wasn't about the issues at all. this attacked him, how he is in our family and i think he was being portrayed as an abusive cruel man to me and to our family and so it grieved me because he's a man of i integrity at home. kind, sweet and loving and not this way at all. >> mike: dan, you're going to want that tape. we don't need you anymore, don't say an inning. don't argue with that. (laughter) >> ann, during the time when jim was running, these attacks came. it wasn't what jim stood for or a policy position he took, it was personal and how do you deal with that as a wife and mom? >> you deal with it with the lord and you take everything to him. i like to say wear a smile in your heart at all times and have it show up on your face all the time because we entered our first race thinking naively that we would just stand on the issues and then, at every debate, every forum, when the opponent was coming after jim, then our children, we went whoa, what have we gotten ourselves into, but we knew the lord had called us to this time, to this place, to this mission and he would see us through and he did. he did marvellously, we finally gave it commercial at the very end and our daughter reminded me the other day that her line in the commercial was "and my dad always told us to tell the truth." . >> ooh. >> taught us to tell the truth. so the counter acting of the lies and misconception, we took it as a family and we did a commercial with each one of the children, jim and i had a little word to say back to the opponent without saying it directly to him. >> mike: both of you have raised great families. you have wonderful children and grandchildren. and i want to ask, you know, sometimes you see politicians whose kids are angry and bitter and they don't want anything to do with it. both of you have been able to keep your families where they love god and they love their country, and they don't find that you've been in politics. tell us the secret of making that happen. >> we just look at things as things come in our life, good and bad, and you learn to do the right thing no matter what. and never the answer-- >> what was the secret for you? how did you make it so your children did not have this resentment and bitterness? it's so easy to understand how it could happen? >> i think our son ned, who is president of american majority said it best in an interview with tony perkins. he said no longer giving up just register to vote and then to vote we must make it a life style. so, from the very tiniest, when they were really, really little, i would drop them off at the end of the block and then they would go door-to-door putting leaflets out for the school board or the city commissioner, whoever was running that we could wholeheartedly -- so it was a life style to love god and to love our country and it just, it was a natural. when jim went away and prayed about running after being-- we all -- he came back and we said we're all in. we're all in. of course, i voted for him, all five times (laughter) >> all right. and there was some spouse who came to you and said my husband wants to run for office, looks like it's tough stuff. do you have a piece of advice to give to them? >> take off running? no. (laughter) >> other than that. >> no, i think you just have to do what you love to do and come alongside and i don't know. i guess be the best person you can be. i would like to say, too, that i think we ought to change the way that campaigns are run in this country totally. dan has never run a negative campaign. and i think that's helped the children, too, is that it should never be negative, it should be about the issues. and because he wanted to go to washington to change policy, but he also wanted to get there in the right way, to -- you can disagree, but just to attack be somebody is just the wrong thing to do. >> mike: well, you've done it the right way. jim and dan, sandy, great to have you all here. >> thank you. >> delightful conversation, and we'll be right back. >> stay with us. [applause]. 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$25,000 a head. they get a say. the rest of us, no dice. no wonder he says corporations are people. no wonder he thinks we don't need more firefighters. no wonder he makes $10,000 bets. and according to newspaper reports, this event seemed right out of the pages of "the great gatsby." the lawn started at the beach and ran toward the front door for a quarter of a mile. running over brick yards and burning gardens finally reached a house drifting up the side in bright vines as those from the momentum of its run. in fact, the romney event was so unbelievable that i brought in some of our friends from the political subverseties to do a reenactment. you're going to hear things that they said at the fund raiser. these are real quotes. >> i don't think the common person is getting it. we've got the message. but my college kid, the babysitter, the nails ladies, all these people who have the right to vote, they don't get what's going on. i just feel that if you're lower income, one, you're not as educated. two, they don't get how it works. >> right. >> common people don't get it. don't understand how it works. are you series? >> he is a socialist. his idea is find a problem that doesn't exist and get government to intervene. >> a socialist. really? so much for the people who got the message. >> it's not helping the economy to put the people who are the engine of the economy against the people who rely on that engine. he's been biting the hand that fed him since '08. >> since when is trying to make the system more fair biting the hand that fete you? these guys can't be serious. >> did you see the wait out there? i kept asking is there a vip entrance because we're a vip. >> you're a vip. that means you don't wait in line anywhere. these are actual quotes from people at the romney event. they are funding mr. romney's campaign. they're the same people who think common folk don't get it. but it's really them who don't get it. do we really want them calling the shots for this country? joining me now is bob shrum, a democratic strategist who ran ted kennedy's campaign against mitt romney in 1994. and alicia menendez. thanks to you both for being here tonight. and before we start, i want to give a big shoutout to the actors and actresses from our friends at political subverseties. they perform every saturday here in new york. bob, let me start with you. this was so brazen. billionaires, the koch brothers. now, bob, you've run a lot of campaigns. how will this play? >> oh, it's not going to play well at all. look, it was a spectacle that goes to a point that i'm going to make in my column in "the daily beast" tomorrow. he's a candidate by the rich for the rich who's indifferent and insensitive to the middle class. you know the guy you quoted there who said -- or that the improv guys quoted that said obama's a socialist? he's a bozo who runs a restaurant in the hamptons called the american hotel. i've eaten there. it's way overpriced. food's gone down hill. he ought to pay a price for this. maybe the democrats who live out there should eat somewhere else and get a better meal. what this was was greed on parade. a group of people who care only about their own bottom line. they don't care about what happens to the country in the sense of creating fairness, economic opportunity. unbelievable that some woman would say people in the middle class and lower middle class, they're not educated enough. they don't have the brilliance of my judgment. i hope everybody in america gets a chance to see and understand what went on in the hamptons this week. >> alicia, that is why we wanted to dramatize this. fine if you have wealthy people supporting you. i think it's a bit brazen that not one but two billionaires host you over a weekend, but fine. but the language of people like people that could vote my babysitter, nail people. they just don't understand how the country ought to work. that kind of arrogance is what i think is very offensive to the american public. >> they talk about the politics of envy. perhaps they should talk about the politics of con desengs. many view him as being out of touch. it's not about the car for your elevators. it's not your wife saying she never considered herself wealthy. it's all of this in the aggregate. and it lacks logic. if the lady at the nail salon, if the college kid went and looks at the policies mitt romney is for, they don't benefit them. it doesn't help her plan for retirement. it doesn't help her in any measurable way. >> does this damage romney politically? as people see these billionaires two in one weekend. koch who's putting up $400 million to defeat the president. these attitudes we dramatize tonight. give me the politics to that for the average voters as they see this. >> it's not he's rich as you suggested earlier. that's not the problem. we've had rich candidates. franklin roosevelt, the kennedys, theodore roosevelt. people thought they were not in there fighting for their own class. roosevelt was called a traitor to his class. romney over and over and over again and not just in this event gives the sense that he doesn't care about those hard working americans. he doesn't understand them. he doesn't have any concern for their lives. there's an empathy gap. that's got to correlate with voting in the fall. >> he's correct. i remember growing up in new york, i was brought as an elementary school student to franklin roosevelt's hyde park home. wealthy estate. we looked up to it because they said this was the guy who came from common people. you saw it in the context of this guy came out and fought for us. and he didn't distort the truth. romney claimed the president doesn't have a job plan. listen. >> i've got a five-step plan -- >> we've always encouraged young people take a shot. go for it. take a risk. get the education. barrow money if you have to from your parents. start a business. >> so he's talking about his plan. which no one knows what the plan is. he attacks the president on friday when the job numbers come. we still don't know a substantive plan. and before we can get out of his attack of the president on the job numbers friday, he's galavanting around doing "the great gatsby" reenactment. >> this should be a great time for mitt romney. the jobs numbers were disappointing. but rather than taking that opportunity to step up and offer real leadership and say here's how a jobs report would be different under president romney, he takes the opportunity to challenge the president to attack the president and really when you look at what americans want, they want real answers and leadership. they're not getting it from this cabinet. >> and i sense, bob, there's some kind of nervousness even among his own party. even john boehner says this weekend, well, america's not going to fall in love with romney. you've run big campaigns, presidential campaigns. are you sensing that even his party established leadership and campaign people are a bit nervous about how he's conducting himself? >> yeah. in private a lot of them will say he's an awkward candidate. he doesn't have a deliver of ronald reagan's gift. reagan was a conservative. but he could speak to the common man. he could somehow reach in and appeal to those reagan democrats. romney over and over and over again, that's $10,000, all the other things you cited at the start of this. says $340,000 isn't much money. he makes himself completely out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people. that's what all the polling is showing. the democrats have a 19-point advantage on cares about and understands the needs of the middle class in the latest wall street journal poll. romney can't win if those numbers stay that way. >> do you think as he continues to identify with the 1% as we continue to see weekends like this and jet skiing, will this drive out a base vote for the democrats? will people get so offended that they will come out in bigger numbers saying we can't allow these 1% elitist types to turn back the clock on the things that we value? >> i don't know that that is actually what's going to drive out a base vote. i think good organization, i think there are a lot of structural challenges, registering, reregistering, getting them to re-buy into the obama narrative. i think the anti-romney will account for a part of the democratic base that is already fired up that has watched this primary process. but i think when we talk about the democratic base, that's walking tackling. >> and we'll have to get around voter suppression schemes but we'll talk about that later in the program. alicia menendez and bob shrum, thank you for your time. >> thanks. >>> coming up, he's calling on them to roll back the bush tax cuts for the rich. and make the middle class the real priority in america. >>> plus decoding the gop talking points about mitt romney. the scientist here at "politicsnation" has created a fantastic new machine that translates republican speak into english. >>> and a republican fund raiser for romney is now in charge of helping educate voters in pennsylvania. what could possibly go wrong? 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ronald reagan is great. so is mitt romney -- forget that. how long is this segment? i've got to eat up more time. i can't let him talk. if i keep talking, he won't ask the questions again. >> thank you, fantastic marvelous gop make-sense-o-nator. that makes way more sense. there's a reason his supporters have trouble defending the overseas money. this buried treasure might just be cursed. joining me now is ryan grim wsh washington bureau chief for "the "huffington post" i don't think i'll need that translater for you guys, but ryan, we're having a little fun. but this really -- will this offshoring play an impact in the next months? >> unless he addresses it, it's going to be hard to go away. later in the -- barack obama wants to spend money we don't have. wait a minute. why don't we have that money? one reason we don't have that money is that so many rich people can afford sophisticated accountants who can hide the money in offshore tax havens. then they can hire lobbyists who then write loopholes into the tax code. now he wants to run for president complaining about the deficit and saying that the tax code is too complicated. at some point, you've just got to say wait a minute. what are you talking about here? >> yeah. i think at this point it would be a good time to have that. perry, let me throw to you what the romney campaign did say. a spokesperson for the romney campaign says mitt romney has a successful career in the private sector. pays every dime of taxes he owes, has given generously to charitable organizations and served numerous causes greater than himself. he never addresses the offshore accounts. will he have to give us more on this account, the spokes lady for the romney campaign? >> we call this is a non-answer inpolitics. no one is questioning whether he paid taxes legally. no one questions if he gave money to charity. we know he does. it goes to the broader point. the president laid out a plan he would not cut taxes for the rich. and romney has favored this cutting the tax for the rich plan. this is about a broader issue of which candidate is for the rich and which isn't. romney has to address these things in the broader context before voters get a sense he's not a candidate, he's not open. and he is the candidate of the 1%. this is not helping when he comes out in a weekend he's also jet skiing that he won't talk about his accounts either. >> now, ryan, he also deals with the problem of transparency. no one's accusing him of doing anything wrong, but he's not transparent. look at presidential tax returns. there's a pattern here. there's a history of barack obama released 12 years. george w. bush released eight years of tax returns. bill clinton eight years. ronald reagan at least six years. romney -- willard romney, just two years. even his father when he was running for president, george romney, released 12 years. so it's the appearance that you're not being transparent. >> right. what's really remarkable about this is that mitt romney very well could become president and he could do it while going through less of a vetting than his own nominees will go through. you know, you can't be a deputy assistant secretary at the department of transportation giving up the amount of information that he's giving up. so -- and i don't think he's going to be able to get away with only releasing this one year. but we don't know what's in those returns. maybe he made the calculation what's in those returns is so damaging politically to him he'd rather take this heat. maybe he took some tax amnesty a couple years ago and that's why he doesn't want to do it. >> but, ryan, when you look at that and i'm stepping on your answer, but i need to ask you this. when you look at that and you look at what "vanity fair" just came out with in its story. $3 million swiss bank act, at least 12 bain funds in the cayman islands, bermuda corporation wholly owned by willard mitt romney. when you look at him not releasing tax returns. and you said something that really struck me. that he may go to the white house if he were to win with not having been vetted as much as anybody that would serve in government. will the media really get him get away with that? or are they going to come after him this fall and make him answer the questions? >> i mean, he's been getting beaten up on it badly. that's why he finally put one return out in april. and the "vanity fair" story has sparked it again. so it looks like -- you know, the media whatever you want to say about them they do want information. if you're trying to keep information from them, they're going to go out and try to get that. he's going to face a punishing few months if he's going to try to get all the way to the white house without releasing this. >> but perry, ryan makes another point that i think is interesting. and that is that he may say well this is the least damaging. because when you look at the fact that a new gallup poll shows president obama's ads on the bain capital affiliation, for example, they're working. amongst swing state voters who say the ads have changed their minds about a candidate 76% of them now favor the president. so maybe in balance he sees these things are hurting him. and maybe he knows that if everything comes out, it would hurt him even more. >> i think we know that's true in some ways. because during the primaries, you could see when he was asked about this. one cnn debate he was very slippery about it. he was frustrated about the precedent with his father giving more returns out. the strange thing about this is he's been running for president about eight years. he's been thinking about running and ran in '08 and ran this time. he's had a lot of time to fix his taxes. it's a mystery to what he was thinking. this was an obvious problem that was going to come up. but he seems not to care enough about it to fix it before now. talking about it five months before the election. >> ryan, the other part of this is media is concerned about a lot of the details in the scrutiny. but the general perception given the voters is here's a rich guy advocating for rich people to have tax cuts. who's hanging out in the hamptons jet skiing. i think overall the average voters is not going to audit their taxes if they come out. it's the overall broad perception of this 1% of for the 1% by the 1% are going into the white house. that's a big political problem. >> i think that the unpatriotic part of it is what's going to be most damaging to him. i think the romney campaign is starting to realize that. that people think that there's something wrong with having your money in the cayman islands or a swiss bank account. i agree with perry. a swiss bank account, really? he's wanted to run back since, i'd say high school. and that he could make a blunder of that level is just astounding. and so if voters only think one or two things about a candidate, one of the things they think is he has taken his money and taken it out of the country. that's damaging and going to be heart to get over. >> thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks. >>> still ahead, republicans are circling the wagons to protect the bush tax cuts for the rich. but we'll look at the real legacy of the so-called trickle down economics. >>> plus how some of the attacks on president obama are literally, literally out of this world. stay with us. 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the national debt went up by $4.9 trillion. the median income dropped 4.2%. and 8.2 million more americans slid into poverty. joining me now is joe connorson of national memo.com. and malia henderson for the washington post. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> good to see you, rev. >> good to be here. >> john, let me start with you. aren't the bush tax cuts for the rich the best argument against trickle down economics? >> they are a good argument and i'll tell you why. as you pointed out just now, we lost jobs when bush -- what was then considered a huge deficit. the first thing he did as president in 1993 was to increase the top rate. back up to 39%. the republicans screamed as you will recall. not one republican vote, vice president gore had to break the tie in the senate. and they all said -- gingrich, all the people still around now -- this will start a depression, recession, worse. we know what happened. >> again, that's interesting. because a lot of people forget that. when bill clinton came in inaugurated january of '93, we were in a huge deficit. >> that's correct. first president bush left us in a deficit. it wasn't enough to overcome the initial reagan tax cuts. even though reagan also raised taxes. they hadn't raised taxes enough. clinton came in, realized he had to raise taxes. he i think quite courageously did so against tremendous opposition. a lot of democrats lost their offices in the next election, term. he lost control of the congress including the lady who is to become his -- the mother of his future son-in-law was kicked out of her congressional seat in philadelphia. so this was a big blood bath for the democrats but they were proved right. >> let me bring the politics of this in. the battle for the middle class. president obama today asking the congress to compromise by extend tax cuts for the middle class, not the wealthy. let me play you something he said and get your response of what the politics should be. >> so we should agree to extend the tax cuts for the middle class. let's agree to do what we agree on. right? let's not hold the vast majority of the economy hostage while we debate the merits of another tax cut for the wealthy. -- for the 98% of americans who make less than $250,000 for another year. >> with republicans and another position of being between a rock and a hard place. what he's saying is don't hold the middle class hostage. we can keep fighting and arguing about the rich, but let's extend the middle class tax cuts for a year. politically how do they deal with that? >> well, i mean, you've seen them already push back. you've seen mitt romney release a statement and say raising taxes at this time of economic crisis on anyone just isn't a good idea. you saw the president flanked by average americans. where he'll talk about this this week. and i think to his credit or to his benefit, i think he is on the side of most americans. 2/3 of which think that this is the right thing to do. keeping these tax cuts in place and raising them on people -- families who make over $250,000. you have seen some grumbling from some in their own parties. saying they wanted to extend tax cuts to people who are making over a million dollars. but it looks like there's going to be some agreement with this president and you're going to hear him say this over and over again and frame himself as somebody who's on the side of the middle class and mitt romney and the republicans as a party that favors millionaires, favors the rich. in some ways it coalesces with this argument they're making on the sunday shows. yesterday this whole idea of romney being in favor of sort of a bush strategy on steroids. you saw them invoke bill clinton. and their underlying argument is that democrats do it better in terms of taking care of the middle class. and so far polls do show that president obama is on solid ground there with the middle class. >> well, joe, if you look at the polls and people -- americans questioned about who they blame the u.s. economy on, 68% of all americans say president obama. -- president bush. 49% of republicans are saying president bush. so as nia was talking and we see romney connected to bush, that cannot be helpful in an election year. >> i don't think it will be helpful. they haven't exactly been pulling george w. bush out of hiding to come and campaign for him. >> you noticed. >> yes, i've noticed. the thing we haven't talked about is deficits. all along the republicans have been campaigning as if they're the ones who want to close the deficits. the truth of the matter is the bush tax cuts as you pointed out before, exploded the deficits. the clinton tax increase led to surpluses. we had the first surplus in generations. the president now is trying to have balanced program. he's trying to make investments. he's trying to make sure middle class and working people can spend money to boost the economy. and he's saying the people who had the big party under bush, they need to pay so we can start to deal with deficits in the future. >> and it is a proven fact any number of economists has raised that if the middle class has more money, they spend money. they spend more money. it helps the economy. >> that's right. >> and it's going to be hard to argue against that. >> that's right. i mean, you're right. when folks have money in their pocket, they buy big screen tvs or iphones or ipods. that's what generates more jobs and economic activity. that's essentially what i think you're going to see democrats argue. that the more money in folks' pockets i think this would put $3,000 in people's pockets. they'll go out and spend it. that'll generate economic activity and get this economy going of but let's face it. this right now, it's political theater. this isn't going to happen. it's unlikely that they're going to get any sort of a bipartisan agreement on this. these tax cuts are going to expire in january. it's doubtful anything's going to happen before this november election. >> joe, isn't the romney proposals and his whole campaign brazen though? when you look at the fact that tax cuts for millions were $141,000 under. and under romney it would be $282,000. it's like bush on steroids. >> it sounds that way. for romney to go around saying he's going to close the deficit, he's the candidate of fiscal responsibility at the same time he's proposing something like that which we know led to huge deficits and debt in the last administration is truly brazen. i agree with that. it's -- he needs to be called on that. there'll come a time some time between now and november where he'll have to face if nobody else but president obama in debate. we'll see if he has an answer. >> we'll see. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> coming up, first a top republican senator said a new voter i.d. law could help them win the state of pennsylvania. what's their new trick? putting a romney fund raiser in charge of educating the public about the law? fox meet hen house. that's coming up. >>> plus how some new right wing attacks on the president are light years away from reality. stay with us. 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>> no, i do not. we've known all along here in the democratic party that this was a sham. we've caught the republicans, governor corbett and mr. turzai in three lies so far. number one, there's a voter fraud problem in pennsylvania. when governor corbett was attorney general, he prosecuted zero cases of voter fraud. >> how many? >> zero. zero. >> he -- the present governor was the attorney general and when he was the attorney general and could have dealt with so-called voting fraud, he did not prosecute any voter fraud cases. >> that is absolutely correct, reverend. that was lie number one. lie number two, that this was not about politics. well, mr. turzai whose clip you just played clearly established the real legislative intent behind this piece of legislation. and lie number three which you touched on, reverend, was initially the sick tear of the commonwealth had said 1% maybe would be effected. no, sir. it's more like 758,000 pennsylvanians could be affected by this illegal -- which we believe illegal -- voter i.d. law. >> now, let's ask the political question. could this make the difference in terms of willard mitt romney winning pennsylvania, beating the president if these amounts of people are disenfranchised because of these photo i.d. laws? >> we're not going to allow that to happen here in pennsylvania. we're not going to go down that road. the pennsylvania democratic party has always had a better field plan than our opponents on the other side. this year is no different. especially with the stakes being so high, maybe never higher in our nation's history. we're out there right now. we're outreaching. we're identifying and we're recruiting. those who may be effected by this legislation. when we go to the doors like we do and we canvas every presidential cycle, we make sure that our supporters and voters have what they need by way of issues for our candidates. this year we're adding another box. that is do you have the proper identification in order to vote? and if you do not, we will make sure you have it. >> now, it's very important that you said proper identification. because as you know, i've been involved in trying to bring this issue out around the country. and people need to understand you, me, no one is talking about people not having i.d. we're saying these new i.d. requirements. have the same i.d. we always had. when we voted for bush or reagan or clinton. we want the same i.d. why do we need new i.d. if there's been no fraud, jim? >> that's the million dollar question. that's why there's a lawsuit filed. the court will hear it on july 25th. as practicing attorney general in pennsylvania, i've looked at the merits. i think there are merits to this. having said that, i like the arguments that are being made. but having said that, we need to move forward as if this bill will be on the ground in november. >> thank you so much, jim burn. thank you for being here. and i am on a national tour to get out the word no matter who you vote for that we've got to have the right i.d. i'll be in atlanta, georgia, tomorrow. go the the website and get all the information. we'll be right back. mid grade dark roast forest fresh full tank brain freeze cake donettes rolling hot dogs bag of ice anti-freeze wash and dry diesel self-serve fix a flat jumper cables 5% cashback signup for 5% cashback at gas stations through september. it pays to discover. are choosing advil®. here's one story. i'm keith baraka and i'm a fire fighter. it's an honor to be a fire fighter. my job involves life or death situations and it's very physically demanding. if i'm sore, i have a headache, i'm not at my best. advil® is my go to. it's my number one pain reliever. advil® just works for me. [ male announcer ] make the switch. take action. take advil®. and if pain keeps you up, sleep better with advil pm®. >>> space. the final frontier. these are the attacks from the gop boldly taking earthly politics out of this world. first we saw republicans wondering if the president was really on america's side. >> i'm focusing on barack obama and the people that he's been associated with. >> but do you suspect -- >> they're anti-american nature. >> we've got to stop apologizing for america abroad. >> obama is the greatest threat tho the continuation of american civilization in our lifetime. >> then some republicans decided the president had a european flare. remember willard? >> we have a president who wants to turn america into another european welfare state. he takes his interest in the socialists in europe. >> now republicans are taking the attacks out of this world. the rnc chairman says the president's from another planet. >> do we want another four years of this stagnant job growth with a president that acts like he's not living on earth. >> that guy's just lost in space. since when is 1600 pennsylvania not on earth? i don't think he'll moonwalk this one back. he's not the only right wing space invader. >> he doesn't seem to operate in the same planet you and i do. he has -- this sort of planet obama out there. >> the president must be on another planet. >> you guys are the ones out of this world. folks, let's agree on one thing. both presidential candidates are from planet earth. we have enough problems to deal with on this planet. so let's keep these campaigns grounded. we heard the arguments the president wasn't born in americ now we're hearing these he's from outer space. the real problem is not where they think he comes from. it's where he's at now. 1600 pennsylvania avenue. that's the problem. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> tax bracketology. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm michael smerconish in for chris matthews. leading off tonight, give me shelter. if you're barack obama and you've just seen another weak jobs report, what do you do? you change the subject. the president and his allies are hitting mitt romney on two fronts. today, mr. obama called for extending the bush tax cuts for people making less than $250,000 and his campaign has been blasting romney's offshore accounts suggesting they are tax shelters for the wealthy republican. the fight for the middle class is on. one reason team obama is feeling good despite the sluggish economy is playing itself out on tv. today, we got more evidence the president is winning the ad war in the swing states. plus, the pray away the gay movement is reeling today. one of its leaders says he was wrong that there is no so-called cure for homosexuality. allen chaim bers joins us tonight. and think political debates can get heated here? well, check this tv face off from iman, jordan out. >> nobody got hurt and let me finish with a solution in search
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what we all understand is that we've got so much more to do. >> and while the president cast the long view on a difficult recovery, his rival, mitt romney, wasted no time pouncing on the jobs report this morning, step on to a hastily constructed podium in new hampshire and retreading his most familiar lines. >> three quarter of small businesses say they are less likely to hire people because of obamacare. remember, the president at the beginning of his term predicted that if he was able to put in place his stimulus and his other policies that they would be able to keep unemployment below 8%. >> yes, you remember those. his favorite lobbyist survey from the chamber of commerce. his favorite lie about the president's nonexistent promise. it is amazing how many falsehoods romney can fit into a ten-minute statement. this morning, it was the president who cut short our boredom in ohio by offering a more concise and accurate picture of mr. romney and the republicans' economic plan. >> basic idea is if everybody's just on their own doing what they do, everything's going to turn out just fine. now, it's a theory. but i think it's wrong. i think it's wrong. and the the reason i think it's wrong is we just tried it. >> indeed, we did. but can the president count on jogging voters famously fickle memories and win over those who hold his future in their hands come election day? let's get right to our panel in washington. karen finney, who's now a columnist for the hill as well as msnbc political analyst, richard wolffe and with me here in new york, we're delighted to have msnbc analyst, michael eric dyson. richard, the president made the point there have been 4.4 million new jobs created in 28 mont months. but in the interest of complete transparency, isn't the hidden story here that he has not been able to action job creation because republicans in congress have opposed every single jobs plan every single jobs act that he's put before them? >> well, remember, they also opposed the stimulus act in the first place. they've been against every measure to deal with what was the worst financial and economic crisis in living memory and that's had an impact on the margins. there are bigger forces at play even than the squabbling washington, but where the public sector has been hurt jobs is public sector jobs. this idea that austerity is the most important thing, that you've got to shrink is size of government has let directly to the kind of job losses that have kept this unemployment rate higher than it should be today. if the republicans say they know about business, they know about the free market, then they should also know that after every single financial crisis anywhere in the rld, any point in history, recovery is slower. people are afraid and employers are slow to hirement that's what we're seeing here and across the world. >> richard, you should never invoke history with some of these people. professor, the president remains relatively optimistic. he says the recovery is slow. we're not there yet, but when you listen to mitt romney and speaker boehner, they sound such a pessimistic note and the president seemed to explain that today. >> jobs aren't growing as fast as they need to and it's all obama's fault. that's basically their only message. now, you know, i guess this is a plan to win an election, but it's not a plan to create jobs. >> and that's right, isn't it? that their sole critique involves saying he's useless, he's failure, but have you heard the republican idea for job creation that sounded persuasive and workable? >> not even half an idea. it's so critical here to understand the resistance, the considered, concentrated defiance of this president has led to di sas rouse -- in the economy. they want to go on board and yet have nobody to steer the vessel. as my pastor used to say, you've been liberated into bondage. they want to free us to become the slave of their narrow ly -- the public, they shredded this economy in a fireman and policeman. they're opposed to that and yet claim to represent the average american here and stood tooth and nail against this president as he sought to bring back recovery. this is a disappointment of expectation. not of achievement. this man has added jobs to the economy for the last 25, 26, 27 months. that's extraordinary given what he's inherited. if we take the long view, he certainly is the person who's keeping his word, but the republicans have made sure he doesn't do it. >> indeed. karen, have you ever witnessed the presidential campaign based not on the candidate's on ideas, not his carefully thought through visions of the country, but based almost entirely on the monthly jobs report, which is what mitt romney seems to be doing? >> he is. he figures like he said, if he can just keep talking about the economy, that's what he thinks he can win on. but today, he gave us some interesting fodder. he made the point himself when he was governor of massachusetts, he referenced some of the same types of things that you can't control that will happen in terms of you know, the numbers go up and down and he said what you have to do is look at the trend. so, i say let's look at the trend. the trend from president obama is consecutive months of job growth, 4.4 million new jobs, 500,000 in manufacturing despite what mitt romney tells you and let's look at mitt romney's record as governor of massachusetts. he brought unemployment downy what? self-deportation. also was 47th in job creation. i say we take him on on that and let's compare records. >> republicans love to champion as you know, taking an ax to federal government, arguing over who would cut more government workers, but over the past year, the country has shed nearly 170,000 public workers. i mean, that's the problem, isn't it? >> look, unemployment in t private sector has come down to the point where there's a net gain of jobs and the president didn't express it very artfully, but there is no question that the conservative drive to cut spending has hurt employment and they've got a case they make which is if you cut spending, somehow you're going to create jobs. well, it doesn't. it loses jobs. keeps unemployment high. it's not the only factor by any means. public sector is just a small piece of it. we need private sector jobs to come out of it. it's curious that republicans say you know, we've got to get spending in line. we've got to get everything in order. we don't care how many jobs we lose, but when it comes to tax cuts, we can go back to bush tax cuts and cut them even further than that and it doesn't matter about how we bust the the budget there. >> professor dyson, i was think ing about what richard was saying just then about austerity. we look at europe. 11 countries out of 48 currently in recession. the unemployment rate in europe is over 11% yet when i look at romney's plan for the nation, it mimics what's happening in europe. if we were to adopt their policies, would employment go up or down? >> it could skyrocket. they claim not to like french fries and everything else from europe, yet their mimics almost to a tee the policies that have failed. but they think this is a -- worm. you cut it off and it just growing automatically. all these jobs. the exportation of jobs as president obama said i'm about insourcing, not outsourcing. mitt romney is trying to base the economy on his own personal fortune. all of these offshore accounts is where his fortune explorations if you will are going. so the money is swinging overseas, but nothing is come back and he's not doing anything about what's here. as you said earlier, the point is he has no idea. he's not doing it right. what do you have to say i'm telling you obama's not doing it right. nothing. >> health care reform, silence. karen. >> he says he's got his 59 point an don't forget. >> it's unbelievable. >> but you know, a very point important point. mitt romney says i know how to bring jobs back. he's saying give people like me more tax breaks and we'll incentivise and bring the jobs back and he talks about wanting to close certain loopholes, but since we can't see his full tax returns, how do we know he's not benefitting from the same things he's going to cut. in other words, how do we know we can trust him? 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the campaign is going to start picking up pace for them there, isn't it? >> reporter: it is. this marks the beginning of this campaign rlly shifting into a higher gear, martin. we are exactly four months until election day as of this very day, so president obama not really completely engaged. he's going to iowa next week. another important battleground state that the obama team believes is going to be key to winning in 2012 and you're going to see a lot more of this. the the president on the road almost every week. he'll also be doing a lot of retail politicking. shaking a lot of hands. >> kristen, you'll be with us all the way through to that election. so thanks so much and safe travels to you. and as the president presses on while mitt romney peddles doom and gloom as we said, the campaign trail is alive with the sound of two very different messages. >> we have seen the jobs report this morning. and it is another kick in the gut to middle class families. >> we've got to have somebody who's fighting for you. >> the amount of pain which is occurring. >> somebody who's thinking about how to grow the economy from the middle out. >> this kick in the gut has got to end. >> not from the top down. that's why i'm running for a second term f president. >> the president gets fired up and ready to go while mr. romney does his best to demoralize the electorate. funny strategy there, but a weak candidate has to play to his strongest card. now, let's say hello to the panel again. richard, one of the first things one learns about united states politics is that optimism is actually a very, very important ingredient. you know, morning in america and all of that. but if that's the case, why is romney bringing such pessimism? i learned that as an immigrant, too. it really does have this optimism and sense of hope and the candidates who win and watching george w. bush do this through two elections, express confidence and faith in america's future. now, there are r plenty of bromide patriotism in romney's speeches, but the core argument he has is negative. and this is very much the framework the democrats had in 2004 about a different problem, the war in iraq. then you had a president who said i know this is tough, but we've got to stick with it, stay the course and we're going to make it to victory. now, the fs a weird looking victory for him, but that was his sales pitch and you had john kerry saying this is terrible, a disaster. i don't know where i stand or where i did before or where i'm going to stand, but in any case, it's going really badly. people would rather have somebody saying i know this is tough, but i have a way out and america always finds its way out. that's where we're seeing in mirror image today. >> karen, as we said, it's a study in contrast today on the campaign trail and there's one area it's stark. just in terms of pure optic, how does an image like the one we saw of the president in ohio stack up next to mr. and mrs. romney on their jet-ski? interesting that mr. romney always enjoys theshow. he never drives himself. >> mrs. romney driving that jet-ski. >> absolutely. >> just to tag on to what richard was saying about the comment about the beer. here's what president obama is doing. he's talking about his american story in a narrative that's your story is my story. we share the same story. i can sit here and have a beer with you in the middle of ohio and i know what it was like to be able to take a family vacation and get on the greyhound bus and go to howard johnsons, but also, trying to relate his story to the story of millions of americans where as mitt romney is more saying and also, obama is still saying we can do this together because i believe in you. where as mitt romney is saying i can fix everything. feel your pain. i understand what you, you are going through and i -- and i can fix it. i'm going to fix it for you. and to be honest, i love hillary clinton, but that was part of what she was trying to do last time and i think people want to be a part of something in a campaign. tha part of the optimism that president obama brought in 2008 and what motivated people the first time and i think will again. >> do you agree with that? sfwl absolutely. i think part of the problem here is the presumption of political omniscience. we're down here on the ground. we're not looking up there. you're assuming that you come in with your tools and your toolkit and get out of the way and let a better man fix the thing. >> he created 150,000. made $250 million. >> mostly for himself. that economy for yourself is different than an economy for a country. you can be a selfish entrepreneur who is able to accumulate cash, but you do it at the expense of the american economy and the health of most of the people now you claim to want to represent. now you want to replenish it. that's a devastating kind of political maneuver and i think that mrs. finney is right. obama's saying i'm one of you u. i come from the same conditions despite all the other stuff that the republicans have tried to do to make him look like a guy from another planet, he is not the brother from another planet. he's the brother from your mother's planet. he's here with you, understands your pain, does it from within and can have a wink and a nod with a beer and can do a lot more than mitt romney with his robotic attempt to try to identify with another. >> i'm sorry, i wish we had more time, but thank you so much. next, louisiana is in such great shape, it's governor is taking a bus tour of his own. stay with us. ok! who gets occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas or bloating? 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[ male announcer ] learn how to protect your heart at i am proheart on facebook. >>> from ice cream socials to corner bars, fireworks, jet-skis and steel wheels, here are the week's top lines. lemon. wet, good. >> we will finish what we started in 2008 and we will mind the world why america is the greatest nation on earth! >> this kick in the gut has got to end. as long as i continue to speak about the economy, i'm going to win. >> i'm betting you're not going to lose heart. i'm betting on you. >> gambling is illegal, sir and i never slide. >> cheers. >> a brew. >> i had a beer in amherst, so i'm feeling good. >> anything mr. romney says this week is bound to be drowned out by the high decibel roar of the jet-ski. >> when you're running for office you've got to do things differently. >> the governor believes that what we put in place in massachusetts was a penalty and disagrees that the mandate was a tax. >> it was a tax. >> the mandate is not a tax. >> yes, it is a tax. >> it's a tax and it's constitutional. >> precisely what i said, but i stand by whatever i said, whatever it was. >> if you listen to those gop pinheads, you don't know what their strategy was. >> it was kill romney. not when i'm next to him you better not. >> thank you very much and i'm sorry for the idiot over there. >> idiot. >> he says the president's out of touch. how many of y'all have a swiss bank account? >> 30 of us running around the house, we look at each other, gosh, our love really started something, didn't it. >> this is when america is at her best. she'll never see us coming. >> let's get right to a very special guest. he's chris hayes and author of a wonderful new book, twilight of the elites. an often unfavorable look at the mechanisms of americans. good afternoon to you, sir. you heard glenn beck be afraid. very afraid. what's he talking about? >> i don't know. >> good answer. reading your book, i can't help thinking about mitt romney and the way he's defined his success an the way it presents itself. we followed "vanity fair," that have looked at the bermuda triangle, swiss bank accounts. explain to me how that is an american success story? hiding funds for 15 years. how is that an example of american success? >> in this way. in the current success we have, which basically says you do what it takes to get to the top and then you are rewarded with outside payments, massive amounts of wealth and a disparity that we haven't seen in about 100 years and anything you do within the narrow confines of the letter of the law is okay. that there are no normative mormo moral expectations o the way you conduct yourself. while a lot of the stuff was happening was illegal, a lot was legal, it was just wrong. and this distinction is a very important one and it's one conservatives particularly still hold. very conservative idea in that there are certain kinds of standards. >> integrity. here's mitt romney talking about his taxes during a january gop debate. >> the most extensive disclosure that i made was the financial disclosure requirements under the law. i pay all the taxes legally required and not a dollar more. >> his definition of success seems to be you never break the letter of the law, but you also never honor it, either. >> you honor it in so far as you comply with it. >> anything illegal. no one's implying that, but do you get the impression that this is a man who following it to the letter, but not in spirit? >> yes, that's the whole reason that offshore accounts exist, strange tax products exist, precisely for that reason. i think he gets to this question of we're going to talk about this on my show this weekend. >> how dare you promote your own broadcast on mine. >> what's really interesting to me, that idea stating the norm, i pay every dollar youeded and not a dollar more. what do you do to lower your tax burden and what kind of feeling do we have as a people, watching a campaign and evaluating all sort of things about candidates. their love lives, the way they've conducted their business affairs. what is our collective expectation and i think it would be great if we had a conversation about that. in mitt romney's world, he pays 15% in tax. >> most of his income. >> but a manager at mcdonald's pays double than that. and that's fine? >> look, not only do we have this individual context of how people of tremendous wealth are able to gain is system, legally, we have the lowest rate we've had since 1993, right? when they were raised under clinto as a percentage of gdp, tax revenue as a whole is the the lowest it's been since the 1950s. they're down around 8%. we have seen everything. the inheritance taxes. everything that hits people at the top has been reduced from a policy standpoint. then above that has been erected an entire industry of tax evasion, which uses all kinds of expertise to create vehicles expressley created for the intent of reducing tax burden. that's atop the policy structure. >> and that results in massive deficit. he says he will revolve by investing in the military, cutting taxes. explain that. >> it's ridiculous. the deficit exists because there's two part of the ledger and if you -- ripping off one part and setting it aside, it's a test of a functioning state. whether it can collect taxes. this is actually a basic developmental action that you ask of states. look at greece. this is a test for america. can we collect taxes from people at the top of the social pyramid and change policy to make the tax code more fair? these are vital questions of what the future american government can do. >> and mitt romney has said nothing about any of those. >> he has spoken through his anchors. >> chris hayes, saturday and sunday mornings, thank you, sir. >>> next, karl rove wastes no time hitting the president on jobs. a new $25 million ad buy to spread some cheer. stay with us. ople have doubts about taking aspirin for pain. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. >>> today's tepid job numbers seem to have been welcomed by republicans who strongly believe they'll do well in november if the country does badly. so it was no surprise to see karl rove's crossroads xwr prk gps release a new ad this morning. >> head winds coming from europe. an earthquake in japan. an arab spring. >> but obama never blames washington's spending and skyrockets debt. >> but the president appeared to be expecting this latest. >> you've got the super pacs, billionaires writing $10 million checks. just pouring, raining down on my head. no, this is all right because i'm -- >> julianna glover is a republican strategist, julian epstein is a democratic strategist, good afternoon to both of you. according to karl rove, crossroads gps is not a super pac. instead, a social welfare organization. if that's true, where are they getting $25 million for a tv ad blitz and why don't they just reveal their donors? >> that's a good question. we've heard of the march of dimes. we've never heard of the march of billionaires. it's so ironic that this party doesn't you said the difference between an irs penalty on the one hand context of the health care debate and a direct tax. it goes to a more important narrative. david axelrod said that mitt romney is one of the most secretive presidents or secretive candidates since nixon and here's a candidate that doesn't want to turn over his tax returns and now wants to comento office on the heel of his super pac system where billionaires can fund his essentially fund his campaign through dark shadows and never have to disclose it. in this latest effort by rove isn't only legally wrong, but tells you about the kind of government that conservatives and republicans are give you. one that's run by special interests and one you won't know anything about. >> rove's social welfare organization announced a $25 million ad buy just moments after the job numbers are announced. >> and first of all, it couldn't be a more easy target. those job numbers are completely bad. >> i understand that. could we let -- >> the american people -- very -- >> let's -- >> jump right into that. priorities u.s.a., a obama -- >> again, i'm so sorry, i'm going to have to interrupt you because you've just, you've offered me two answers, neither of which has anything to do with the question i asked you. i'm very happy for you to deliver lectures on the subject of priorities u.s.a. or jobs nurls. >> there's not i watt to answer the question. i'm asking you about a social welfare organization. now, what is that that manages -- >> the definition of a 501 24 -- >> $25 million today as the jobs numbers are announced. can you just explain that to me because i don't understand it. >> $25 million thrown at obvious problems that the american people truly graps and want to hear more about. why is this economy so stuck in the mud? why is it employers are not hiring. another very interesting analysis coming out of today's numbers was that it wasn't just the clouds in europe, but the fact that the administration is not doing anything about the fiscal -- >> i'm so sorry, i'm going to have to cut you off because i'm going to have to introduce julian because you've now offered me a trifecta of diversions. >> we can have a debate about whether the obama policies are working or not. karl rove is using a ruse, calling in fact what a super pac a 501 c3, sorry, c4. you do not have to report what you're spending money on or your donors. the committee is about secrecy. whey are we manipulating the laws so these billionaire donors can fly under the cover of night, do not have to disclose who's behind these special interest efforts. you've got that in comparison to the obama administration whose has been transparent on every aspect. >> thank you very much. julianna, please. >> okay, you all are clearly taking direct orders from the general counsel at the the obama campaign. >> please stay on point. please answer the question. why are they using a ruse -- they're after years of saying he was -- and have nothing to do with taking large amounts of money. >> julianna, i was talking about karl rove, but unfortunately, that is your fifth opportunity and we have to call it a day. so, thank you for not answering the question and julian, thank you. >>> next, does romney have the right tools to fix the economy? 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[ male announcer ] this is rudy. his morning starts with arthritis pain. and two pills. afternoon's overhaul starts with more pain. more pills. triple checking hydraulics. the evening brings more pain. so, back to more pills. almost done, when... hang on. stan's doctor recommended aleve. it can keep pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rudy. who switched to aleve. and two pills for a day free of pain. ♪ and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. >>> it's time now to clear the air and after one of the longest and most arduous searches in living memory, we are slowly getting closer to a singular truth that may unlock what has been hidden for ages. no, i'm not talking about the subatomic particle known as the higgs boson, i'm talking about mitt romney's secretive investmen investments. he did eventually release his 2010 tax returns which showed he paid a rate of just 14% on over $22 million of income. but compare that to his father who released 12 year of tax returns and george w. bush, who released 17 years worth of financial details. having offered a bare minimum, we then learned that mr. romney asked for an extension, which means we're unlikely to learn anything about that until just before or after the election. he seems to want to live by the letter of the law, but not by spirit. here's how he put it when talking about his tax returns this year. >> i pay all the tacks that are legal taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more. >> i pay all the taxes that are legally required. eugene robinson put it so eloquently, in making his money, romney appears to take every imaginable inch that the law arguably allows. but slowly and surely, we started to learn more about this candidate's investments. that he had swiss bank accounts. that he's placeded money offshore in the cayman islands and now, we're learning about an offshore company in bermuda called high yield asset investors limited, that has been invisible for almost 15 years. who knows what else we'll discover in the weeks ahead. but one thing is absolutely certain. mitt romney will go down as one of the most secretive presidential candidates in history. and you have to ask yourself this singular question. after all that's happened throughout the last year, this singular question. why? thanks so much for watching. "hardball" starts right now. >>> numbers game. let's play "hardball." i'm michael smerconish in for chris matthews. spin cycle. it's become a monthly ritual. weaker than excted numbers come out, the president says he's making progress and so it was today when we learned that only 80,000 jobs were created last month an the unemployment rate held firm at 8.2%. how's it going to play in november? despite the weak jobs numbers, republicans arnervous that mitt romney is kicking away a winnable election. it began with a tweet from rupert murdoch and now a lot of conservatives who never liked romney are saying i told you so. also, remember when pennsylvania's republican house majority leader said voter i.d. laws would help mitt romney w the election? here's what he was talking about. a new study shows that three quarters of a million people in the state don't have the proper identification and most of them are likely democratic voters. and not even scarlet ohara said the name ashley so much. >> look,
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be able to keep moving forward as a nation and not go back to the policies of george w. bush which brought about the whole economic crisis. >> let me ask about the tax cuts expiring. my position in the senate democrats is the gop pledge, obviously not to vote to raise taxes, can be gotten around by letting the tax cuts expire on january 1st and then vote on a tax cut for those who make less than 2$250,000 a year. let me play for you what minority leader mitch mcconnell said. >> democrats in congress are now saying that they would rather see taxes go up on every american at the end of the year than let about 1 million businesses keep what they earn now. >> is he right and where do you see showdown going? >> no, he is not right. we will have a vote next week. it will give 100% of the people a tax break on the first $250,000 of income. beyond that, if you are over that, your income over that is taxed at the bill clinton rates. those rates were fair and just. those rates led us to 23 million jobs created and a surplus instead of deficits. mitch mcconnell should join hands with us. let'
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back to 2008 when george w. bush was the president of the united states in order to find one, but here it is. >> next time you hear politicians say he or she will bring down oil prices, understand it's complete bs. if they want lower prices, cut back. sell those suvs, ride a bike when you can. if every one of us bought 10% less gasoline, prices would fall fast. >> well, happy fourth of july, republicans. next time you want to use gas prices as a political tool, make sure you listen to your friend bill o'reilly because he's always looking out for you. get your cell phones out. want to know what you think. will republicans ever stop using gas prices as a political ploy? text a for yes, text b for no, to 622639. we'll bring you the results later in the show. i'm joined tonight by a man who has answered, commissioner of the commodity futures trading commission. we have been down this road, but i like to remind them how this all works. explain the main reason gas prices have dropped 60 cents in the last three months. what's going on? >> hey, ed. we have ample supply and not a lot of de
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presidential nominee to succeed president george w. bush, the guy who was supposed to win in '08, the guy who was the early beltway favorite was fred thompson. fred thompson who was an actor on "law and order" and who is a large man and had a very deep voice and who looksç very presidentialish from a distance. on tv. and i've always thought that the fred thompson mania of the 2008 presidential race, the sort of pundit mania over the prospects for fred thompson were largely based on what he looked like and he's a big guy and has this big great voice. in terms of his resume, what he was known for was being an actor on "law and order." he had been a lobbiest for decades on washington. that usually means you have represented some unpolitically correct clients. in his case some abortion rights clients when he was trying to run as an anti-abortion rights politician. in addition to bb a lobbyist and the guy on tv, he served one and a half terms in the u.s. senate. but honestly his time in the senate was characterized by no real accomplishment of any note. there's no fred thompson legislative achie
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organization and elaine chow the former labor secretary under president george w. bush. okay, david. i'm going to let you take a swing at this right off the bat. because when i saw these numbers come down, i thought to myself, wait a second. it wasn't too long ago when i believe it was senator obama complaining that george w. bush thought 200 or 300,000 jobs added was a good number. this is 80,000 jobs. this cannot be spun as good news for americans. >> it's not good news for america. let's recall though that obama made that complaint before we suffered the biggest financial crisis in american history, you know, after the wall street crash of 1929. we lost 9 million jobs as a result of that crisis when obama took office, we were hemorrhaging 700,000 jobs a month. unemployment hit 10%. so in many ways we have come a long way. we haven't lost any jobs in the last two years. we are making progress. clearly not enough progress. in retrospect that stimulus was not nearly big enough in 2009. that american jobs act that the president tried to pass last september should have been enacted by cong
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much good work in the world. >> george w. bush. >> i want to stay connected to the veteran community. i'm not going to be a public person. this is a rare interview for me. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >> good evening the first ted turner, a tv pioneer. but, also, a very out spoken man and a rare interview for president george w. bush. if anyone knows about keeping america great is a former american president. >> after 9/11, millions of
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united states, two-term president, george w. bush has endorsed mitt romney. boy, could things get any worse for mitt romney? >> i was shocked by could you how quickly they made his romney endorsement into a campaign ad. this was fast. take a look. >> you know, i'm interested in politics. i'm a supporter of mitt romney. i hope he does well. >> i'm barack obama and i approve this message. >> most of the media wants to get obama re-elected -- >> the elite media the regular media? >> what does batman have to do with the presidential race? rush limbaugh says it could affect the election. >> rush is having trouble with the name of the villain in the movie. the name of the villain is bane. >> bain. and there's now discussion out there as to whether or not this was purposeful. >> i think rush may have a point. >> i want to send every job in gotham overseas! there will be blood before i release my tax returns. >> frank sounds like most republican candidates. >> i'm a fiscal and social conservative. ronald reagan is my political idol. >> but it is not his position sparking controversy on the ri
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under $250,000 a year. the president didn't specifically mention president george w. bush or mitt romney by name specifically. he did implicitly link the policies of the two men. >> we have tried it their way. it didn't work. congress passed trillions of dollars in tax cuts that benefitted the wealthiest americans more than anybody else. what happened? the wealthy got wealthier. most americans struggled. >> the president said today he would call for congress to take action on this. nobody in washington expects the legislative grid lock here to break any time before the election. that means this issue and so many others in the fiscal cliff scenario will have to be dealt with sometime after the election between november and the beginning of next year. so there are six to eight weeks where washington has to deal with some stuff. for now this is all politics. >> all right. just a quickie. >> yeah. >> what you're saying is the so-called middle class tax cuts will be extended but the upper end tax cuts for the rich, et cetera, et cetera, will be ended permanently. is that the idea? ex-tep tept
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happened under george w. bush. and we haven't looked back since. but it's not an event to celebrate. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] what if you had thermal night-vision goggles, like in a special ops mission? you'd spot movement, gather intelligence with minimal collateral damage. but rather than neutralizing enemies in their sleep, you'd be targeting stocks to trade. well, that's what trade architect's heat maps do. they make you a trading assassin. trade architect. td ameritrade's empowering web-based trading platform. trade commission-free for 60 days, and we'll throw in up to $600 when you open an account. >>> tonight mitt romney responds to the fire storm about his time as bain capital. and there's news about mr. romney's tax returns. it's all coming up. stay with us. brain freeze cake donettes rolling hot dogs bag of ice anti-freeze wash and dry diesel self-serve fix a flat jumper cables 5% cashback signup for 5% cashback at gas stations through september. it pays to discover. ♪ home of the brave. ♪ it's where fear goes unwelcomed... ♪ and
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, but former president george w. bush making it perfectly clear he has no interest in joining the public discourse. in a recent interview, mr. bush talked about his role as former president and why he's staying out of the public eye. >> i think it's bad for the presidency to have former presidents believe yating, opining, or telling people how it ought to be done. eight years was awesome, and i was famous and i was powerful, but i have -- i have no desire for fame and power anymore. i -- i don't want to undermine our president. whoever is president. and a former president can do that. and i think it's bad for the presidency itself. either you're in or out of politics, peter. and i've chosen to be out. i mean you can't be halfway. you know, and given the environment today, with all the blogs and this that and the other i mean it's like, you know, i told -- i -- pretty unattractive metaphor, but i said i crawled out of the swamp and i'm not crawling back in. and you know, i'm interested in politics. i'm -- you know, i'm a supporter of mitt romney. i hope he does well. but, you know, he can
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out that former president george w. bush and form h.w. bush will both miss the convention. they both decided to skip and one cites health reasons. >>> massachusetts is being considered as the keynote speaker at the democratic convention in september. >>> and "newsday" is reporting that the rental apartment that president obama lived in while studying in columbia, new york, in 1981 is up for grabs. the president paid $360 in rent. well, the price now is $2400. yep. >>> and in a speech event someday louisiana's president hugo chavez calls the capitalist elite like mitt romney. he says deep down he's a good guy. that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. >>> and now here's your first look at how wall street will kickoff the day. the saw opens as 12,822. the s&p tumbled 13 and the nasdaq plunged 40. >>> taking a look at overseas trading this morning, in tokyo the nikkei shot down 161 points while in hong kong the hang seng plummeted 587. >>> so far earning season has been much better than expected but this week reports from three big companies will put the trend to the test. apple r
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Jul 18, 2012 5:30pm PDT
president george w. bush. he doesn't give many interviews and in an interview with the hoover institute, he says why. he said he wants to fade from public view and public life as much as it is possible for any former president. >> but i really don't want to be in the public eye anymore. and i feel a certain sense of liberation not being out there. >> you like it better. >> i really do. eight years was awesome. and i was famous and i was powerful, but i have no desire for fame and power anymore. >> the former president said part of his motivation in wanting to fade from the scene is not to be seen trying to interfere in any way the current president. >>> a warming atlantic ocean has taken its toll again on one of greenland's giant glaciers. a piece twice the size of the island of manhattan has broken free. scientists have been watching a crack in the glacier for years. nasa took a satellite photo as it started to break off days ago. two years ago a piece twice the size of this one broke off. scientists will be watching carefully again to see if this is the end of it for now. >>
MSNBC
Jul 11, 2012 2:30am PDT
. former president george w. bush let loose with african dancer during malaria awareness day ceremony in the rose garden in 2007 and showed off his drumming capabilities. wait. here's the best, favorite part. here comes. and -- here comes -- he's doing the hand jive thing. there it is. that, right there. that guy is smooth. he is so good. >>> still ahead on "way too early," why are you awake? you're moving, tweets, texts, e-mails are next and "morning joe" now just moments away.
Comedy Central
Jul 20, 2012 7:25pm PDT
pretzels. the very snack complicit in the failed 2002 assassination attempt on george w. bush when he choked on a bachmann pretzel. if the assassination had succeeded it would have prevented bush from invading iraq and killed saddam hussein. -- this is really hard. all right, let's try and do this in a simpler way. earlier in the program we learned the bank hsbc works with al qaeda. if there was some way, islamic ter wist-- terrorist money directly to michele back pan let's say through a 2008 campaign donation. let's look at the chart again. (laughter) (applause) i don't know, man. let's try it again. here's huma abedin's islamic terror connection, let's take a look. here's michele bachmann. hmmmm. maybe there should be an investigation. not to mention one more piece of unsettling evidence, michele bachmann is married to marcus bachmann who i think we all know is hiding something. (laughter) that his name is an anagram of arab's mann muncch. we'll be right back. as you can clearly see from this attractive graph that our sales have increased by... sorry, my liege. honestly. our sale
PBS
Jul 14, 2012 12:30pm PDT
appear pulled and rise up against romney. secondly, her whole connection is with george w. bush, whose foreign policy and war in iraq are considered a disaster. they cost the republican party both houses in 2006, and the presidency in 2008. why would you do it? what exactly does she bring some what state does she bring? >> because of the cabinet post that she held, the fact that she worked for sandy berger, colin powell, bob zoellick. >> she didn't work for sandy berger, did she? >> she was part of sandy berger's generation. >> i don't think she's that old. >> i'm not an authority on herbicide okay grief. she worked at the hoover institution. the woman is a brilliant woman. >> when we were with nixon in '68, there was a point where he was way down. he was tied with humphrey, and you take the safe pick. >> is it safe to say that everybody on this panel is poo- pooing, except me, a possible candidacy? >> yes. >> as a running mate? >> not as a rung mate. she's phot got many great qualifications but not for this ticket. >> not for this particular. >> poo-pooing. >> okay who will be romney'
ABC
Jul 13, 2012 5:30am EDT
under george w. bush and professor at stanford university. romney aids refuse to comment on the reports. rice is on vacation and could not be reached. >>> here's a situation. no one wants to be called in this situation. two window washers dangled 50 feet above new york streets. the rescue ensued. they were 42 stories up when they got strapped by a broken scaffold. fire fire -- for fighters broke a window to get them to safety. they are said to be okay. >>> there's anotherren empty seat on american idol a's judges panel. >> stephen tyler says he is not returning next season. >> the fight over fees between direct tv and viacom. >> head together beach i will tell you what you will need to bring beside the sunscreen. details coming up. lauren. >> reporter: good morning. no problems to tell you about here on 695 the bel air road and traffic shaping up on 83 coming up on "good morning maryland." a party? [ music plays, record skips ] hi, i'm new ensure clear. clear, huh? my nutritional standards are high. i'm not juice or fancy water, i'm different. i've got nine grams of protein. twi
PBS
Jul 29, 2012 3:30pm PDT
intervene in syria. >> eleanor? >> richard carmona, formerly george w. bush's surgeon general now running as a democrat for u.s. senate? arizona will be a featured speaker at the democratic convention, possibly a keynoter. >> and ted will be in the senate as one of the five most conservative as long with jeff blake of arizona, jim demint, mike lee and rand paul. >> paul? >> they are not all elected. >> etch will think the upcoming debates in october and the presidential candidates will be absolutely decisive because the race is so short or so tight, but it will have no effect on the outcome. >> u.s. economic stagnation even with new stimulus will continue through august, september, and october freezing september, and october freezing the 44th u.s. president to captioning by vitac, underwritten by fireman's fund >>> governor brown's massive $14 billion plan to build a pair of tunnels to transport water from north to the south and restore delta wetlands is already making waves with opposition by some environmental groups and democratic lawmakers. >> we will take into account the opp
ABC
Jul 20, 2012 11:00pm EDT
. >> former president george w. bush will be skipping the republican national convention. mr. bush is grateful for the invitation but said he is enjoying his time off. the spokesperson said mr. romney will be a great president. >> and we want to turn back to our coverage of the shooting massacre in colorado. short time ago, police briefed the media on the latest on their investigation. >> and all of this comes as additional family and loved ones are speaking out about the who are filing sequence of events. we are live in aurora, colorado. sandra thanks for joining us. what can you tell us about the reports that we are hearing that holmes dyed his hair red and called himself the joker? >> that's right. federal law enforcement sources say that that is, in fact, the case. the suspect apparently dyed his hair head -- red and said he was the joker and they are trying to find out a motive and not releasing any evidence in the investigation so far but the real hot spot is the one-bedroom apartment that the 24-year-old lived in which was walking distance to the university of colorado school of medicin
MSNBC
Jul 30, 2012 2:30am PDT
"newsweek" questions romney and the wimp factor. it harkens back to a similar cover in 1987 of george w. bush. the media said he was worried he wouldn't be able to get enough sleep. >>> an israel newspaper is reporting president obama's national security adviser, thomas donelan, has briefed the prime minister on a u.s. contingency plan to attack iran if diplomacy is unable to stop the country's nuclear program. the article sourced a senior u.s. official speaking on the condition of anonymity. that's the power of the presidency. they don't let romney get all the headlines in israel. >>> here at home, democrats remain critical of romney's performance abroad, specifically his rocky start in london where the republican candidate publicly voiced concerns over the uk's ability to handle the summer olympics you see here on nbc. >> mitt romney wondered aloud whether london was ready for the olympics, and i think it's clear that voters in this country wonder aloud whether mitt romney is ready for the world. and i think the world is not yet ready for mitt romney. i'm happy david cameron had the last word be
FOX News
Jul 7, 2012 2:30pm EDT
that no one would have expected, jeef justice john roberts, who was appointed by president george w. bush to lead this court in a more conservative direction, initially was poised to strike down the key part of the health care law, but then, he changed his mind and the outcome of this entire case. >> cbs news, and its legal correspondent jan crawford, breaking the story earlier this week that chief justice john roberts originally decided with conservatives about the obama care mandate. while writing the decision changed his mind and the rest, as they say, is history. jim, the question is, how did cbs get that info and was it news for coverage of the court going forward? >> jan is a very good reporter and we assume that she got it from another justice. she had a lot of detail about anthony kennedy, you know, apparently spending a month trying to get roberts on this decision, it opens up a whole n new-- where to come from and information and including the courts now. >> it does seem strange, judy, the supreme court has been sort of a bastion of secrecy up until now. >> it has been and you coul
MSNBC
Jul 12, 2012 5:30am EDT
-american vote against george w. bush. >>> still, some members of the audience gave romney credit for simply taking the time to address the convention. but that doesn't mean the audience agreed with what he was saying. >> i'm going to eliminate every nonessential expensive program i can find. that includes obama care, and i'm going to work to reform and save -- [ crowd booing ] >> romney said he anticipated a tough response from the crowd and following the speech, he told a group of donors quote, your friends who like obama care, you remind them of this -- if they want more stuff from the government, tell them to go vote for the other guy. more free stuff. but don't forget, nothing is really free. it has to be paid for by people in the private sector creating goods and services, end quote. the obama campaign said in statement at the naacp leaders in the african-american community recognize the devastating impact mitt romney's policies would have on working families. >>> a new campaign ad from the obama campaign accuses romney of supporting tax breaks for special interests over the needs of t
CSPAN
Jul 11, 2012 9:08am EDT
that began during that period, went at the george w. bush 2000 campaign and then the bush administration, again, setting the precedence in terms of personnel, policy and practices that are metastasizing today. next slide. another gang of six. you've already been introduced to abdel rahman al marudi. let me go through some photographs of the next. next slide. well, this is al marudi with governor bush and next slide. this is khaled saffuri, his right-hand man and nihad awad who runs one of the most aggressive muslim brotherhood fronts c.a.r.e. in the summer of 2001. this is another convicted terrorist running at the time of this photograph in march of 2000 the palestinian-islamic jihad organization. next slide. muslim al sadiqquey, the imam presenting the president a koran in the white house shortly after 9/11. next slide. this chap. he worked in the white house for most of 2001. he was the muslim gatekeeper and facilitated most of those photographs that you just saw there. he's currently on the board of directors of the american conservative union. the organization is brin
NBC
Jul 6, 2012 5:30pm PDT
federer in sunday's match. >>> today is former president george w. bush's 66th birthday and during a trip this week to africa, at a home for children in need, he got a pretty special birthday gift. the kids serenaded him. ♪ happy birthday to you >> the bushes were in africa to promote work regarding breast and cervical cancer and are on their way home tonight. this is also nancy reagan's 91st birthday and yesterday she attended her first public event since a fall in may when she broke several ribs. she helped inaugurate a new exhibit from the walt disney archives at the reagan library. as you can see, mickey and minnie mouse showed up for the occasion. we're told they did their own rendition of "happy birthday." >>> up next, four women on a remarkable road trip making a difference. >>> finally tonight, it is summer. it's the season of road trips and wait till you see the one four women have just taken. it was grueling, thrilling, and it's making a difference for the causes they care so much about. nbc's michelle franzen takes us along for the ride. >> reporter: coast to coast in se
FOX News
Jul 28, 2012 11:00am PDT
. remember when george w. bush was running for president he talked about a more humble foreign policy. obama promised to close down guantanamo. he extended many of president bush's policies. so it is hard to say at this stage of the game what mitt romney really means and what and how he might act as commander in chief. >> and in afghanistan and syria, dan, pretty general comments by governor romney, not real specific, particularly on syria which is the hottest issue now going. pretty much stayed a step back about saying what he would do. >> syria is a difficult issue. afghanistan the president said he is pulling troops down. it is difficult for romney to say i will push troops back up. >> particularly when the american public seems to be war weary and supports this withdrawal. >> i think matt made an important distinction that needs to be emphasized. this isn't just president obama this is modern democratic foreign policy doctrine calling it leading from behind. which means we only act until we get the support of allies report united nations and that is what we have done in iran and l
ABC
Jul 9, 2012 6:30pm EDT
. [ buzzer ] on obama's watch, there have been more jobs lost than created. at this point in george w. bush's first term, even more jobs were lost. accurate or not, you'll see more ads like this, because the campaign, both of them, diane, are convinced their working. >> jon, great to have you reporting in tonight. >>> and coming up here, a living room explodes in flames. the fire extinguisher the only defense. we put some real families to the test and they failed. would you know what to do? [ mosquitoes buzzing ] ♪ [ female announcer ] repel mosquitoes without spraying your skin. try off! clip-on repellant. in minutes, its fan surrounds you, head to toe with effective odorless protection. whether it's at a game, enjoying family, or just relaxing, repel mosquitoes away without a spray. off! clip-on. keeps bugs off. sc johnson. a family company. my feet and exactly where i needed more support. i had tired, achy feet. until i got my number. my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotics number. now i'm a believer. you'll be a believer, too. learn where to find your number at drscholls.com. [ slap! ] [ slap! s
CSPAN
Jul 5, 2012 4:30pm EDT
things. when george w. bush was president, he was going overseas on a trip, somewhere i don't remember, what about or where he was going, but there was an article. a columnist in "the washington post" who wrote a column about the president going overseas. and what he said was that for the next period, however long it was, the president was going to step out to step out of his role as head of government to be head of state. i was teaching at the time and i asked my students, what jumps out at you about that? i got the answers you might expect. if he's going to be functioning not wearing his one hat, but his other hat as the head of state, he will be talking about basic rights and fly over rights and trade agreements and so forth. i said no. that's not the answer. the president is not the head of government. we have three separate and equal branches of government and most of the major powers of government whether it's going to war are raising taxes or creating programs or deciding what to spend are congressional counts. i think this president like every other in recent memory an
NBC
Jul 9, 2012 12:00am PDT
alternative, an unacceptable alternative in people's minds. he makes him radioactive that george w bush running with a weak economy made kerry unacceptable. chris: i heard this before, a rerun of 2004, go after the other guy. >> you make it a choice. it's no longer about barack obama, what they would like to make it. >> they make it not about the incumbent but about the choice. >> they're saying this is bush on steroids, they're drawing that parallel? >> can they get away with that? >> they can. we haven't created enough jobs. this guy talks about firing people. >> when we come back, "scoops and predictions" right from the notebooks of these top re chris: welcome back, starting with john, something different this week, i want you to handle this prediction. this fall in the presidential debates, which candidate, obama or romney will paint the most detailed, most dramatic platform for the next four years. john. >> romney has a problem if he is not the person. the challenger has the luxury of specificity because he doesn't have a record to run on. chris: most likely romney will do it. >> yes. >> r
NBC
Jul 13, 2012 4:00am EDT
george w. bush. >>> to penn state. that is the scathing conclusion of an eight-month inquiry into the school of handing of the jerry sandusky sex abuse scandal. >> reporter: former fbi director louis freeh said it was fear of publicly that kept coach paterno from revealing jerry sandusky's contact with young boys. >> the most but powerfulman at penn state. >> reporter: they pored over 3 million documents some that showed that paterno contrary to his grand jury testimony did know about a 1998 police investigation into sandusky's contact with a young boy in the penn state locker room shower. they blasted spanier, curley and schultz for their actions. >> nobody even spoke to sandusky, not one of those four persons, including coach who was a few step as away from his office. there's no indication anybody spoke to him. >> reporter: throughout the investigation all have denied knowing the full extent of sandusky's actions. the board of trustees was singled out for its lack of oversight. >> you should know our hearts remain heavy and we are deeply ashamed. >> reporter: on a penn state campus
CSPAN
Jul 5, 2012 12:30pm EDT
by george w. bush in 2005. he has a b.a. from brigham young university and his j.d. is from the university of virginia school of law. most notably he and his wife are the proud parents of six children and the proud grandparents of four. we're thankful to have the judge out here since he was just at stanford two weeks ago for the jay ruben clark conference. we're glad that something could entice him to come back a second time. >> thank you very much. it's a pleasure to be here. my congratulations to the conference organizers. i wish you hadn't remarked that i was out here two weeks ago in light of mr. gray's comment that the d.c. circuit is woefully underworked. so good morning. for those of us who are familiar with gathering of the federalist society, this is the obligatory panel on the part of the constitution that seems to be of the greatest interest to federalist society event organizers everywhere. when a conservative administration is in power. those three enigmatic and inviting words in the constitution quote, the executive power close quote. as the moderator of this disti
ABC
Jul 9, 2012 6:00pm EDT
of george w bush, o'malley defending obama's handling of the economy. >>> governor o'malley's staff is sifting through documents to learn how to clean up the chesapeake bay. he met with officials down in virginia, the clean up are is one of the -- is one of the biggest water pollution control acts in the history, the meeting gave them a way to see how six states and dc are doing in the effort to clean up the bay. >>> a new report out this evening ranked maryland number 33 in the country when it comes to college debt, the institute of college access and success found the average student has been more than $21,000 in debt after graduating. more than half had to borrow to pay for schools, even though college students have a degree about 9% of recent grads were unemployed. the average debt in college park was about $22,000, atalson university, the average debt was about 19,000, and coppin students have 8500, not good news. >>> keeping your computer safe and secure, scammers try and target more than your identity today. >> you go to some web site that they control and they can go capture
PBS
Jul 21, 2012 1:30am PDT
lifted in 2010. 25,000 researchers, 2,000 journalists, barbara lee will be a speaker before george w. bush. there will be a lot of news coming out. it will be an exciting week. >> belva: we had different news in silicon valley. changes from google to yahoo, but we also started a new debate about the place of women in the world of high tech and business. >> i think we also started an interesting debate on new mothers in high-tech positions. marissa mayer announced she would move from one huge silicon valley company to another silicon valley company. she announced she will be a mother. the internet has so much to say about that. >> belva: who is saying that? >> everybody is talking about that. >> belva: for people who are writing on it or someone feeding them a line. >> everybody who has written about it mentioned it will be difficult. when you look at what marissa has done in pulling 30-hour workweeks with the showering and sleeping techniques, she will not have to do any less to be an excellent mother and ceo. she is kind of super human that way. she will use those super human abilities to get th
MSNBC
Jul 11, 2012 5:30am EDT
dancing with local women, and my person favorite. former president george w. bush let loose with african dancer during malaria awareness day ceremony in the rose garden in 2007 and showed off his drumming capabilities. wait. here's the best, favorite part. here comes. and -- here comes -- he's doing the hand jive thing. there it is. that, right there. that guy is smooth. he is so good. >>> still ahead on "way too early," why are you awake? you're moving, tweets, texts, e-mails are next and "morning joe" now just moments away. >>> asked you, why are you awake? we have your answers. >> who writes, we think you're playing coy with your sports knowledge. fes up. >> i have you all fooled. all fooled. thanks, john. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >>> 0-2 the count, runner at first, one out. fly ball into left. bryce harper. can't see it. it goes behind him. it's two on with one out. a at no point did he act like he couldn't see it until it basically landed behind him. >> nobody is there to help him. no short stop. too deep for the short stop to come out. here he lost the ball. >> wow. >> g
CBS
Jul 12, 2012 4:00am EDT
got 4% of the african-american vote. well below the 11% george w. bush received when he ran against john kerry in 2004. now, the president's support and his approval ratings remain high among african-americans, but democrats are worried about turnout. and romney's hoping his economic message will resonate, at least to the point that voters aren't motivated to turn out against him. jan crawford, cbs news, houston. >>> today the cbs news, charlie rose will sit down with an exclusive interview with president and mrs. obama which you'll see beginning friday and on cbs sunday morning. >>> congressman's jesse jackson's unexplained absence has raised. he's being treated for emotional problems. jackson is expected to make a full recovery. tara mergener has the report. >> representative jesse jackson, jr., has been out on a leave absence for more than a month now with little explanation as to why. more than two weeks afa bankruptly leaving his office issued a cryptic statement saying mr. jackson was suffering from exhaustion. a week later they issued another release saying jackson's conditio
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